Cleveland Crime: 2009 (Russia: high crime, credit, schools)

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

Crime is directly correlated to socio-economic problems. It just so happens to be that blacks in particular live in impoverished areas of the United States.

There is a grain of truth in what you are saying. Still, the reality is, race is a far greater predictor of crime, than poverty is.

"The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic."

Major Findings of The Color of Crime -- Second, Expanded Edition (2005)

[LuckyGem]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

There is a grain of truth in what you are saying. Still, the reality is, race is a far greater predictor of crime, than poverty is.

"The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic."

Major Findings of The Color of Crime -- Second, Expanded Edition (2005)

Race isn't the best indicator of crime.

"In order to determine how to prevent crime, it is important to know what causes crime. Research has shown a consistent set of factors that predict the likelihood that individuals will commit crimes (Loeber & Farrington, 1998). These predictors, or risk factors, are broad and include individual, family, and community factors. Studies show that the strength of any given predictor is dependent upon the age of the person exposed to the predictor.

Some of the strongest predictors of future offending for youth ages 6 to 11 include prior criminal behavior, substance use, low socioeconomic status, antisocial parents, and aggressive behavior. In contrast, many of the strongest predictors of future offending for youth ages 12 to 14 revolve around peers; these include a lack of strong social ties, antisocial peers, poor school attitude and performance, psychological conditions such as impulsiveness, and prior delinquency. Individuals with these strong risk factors are 5 to 20 times more likely to engage in serious offending than those without these risk factors (Loeber & Farrington, 1998)."

Public Safety 2000: Predictors of Crime

Any of these factors can be present in any person of any ethnicity. Race is of no consequence when predicting criminal behavior.

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by LuckyGem

Race isn't the best indicator of crime.

"In order to determine how to prevent crime, it is important to know what causes crime. Research has shown a consistent set of factors that predict the likelihood that individuals will commit crimes (Loeber & Farrington, 1998). These predictors, or risk factors, are broad and include individual, family, and community factors. Studies show that the strength of any given predictor is dependent upon the age of the person exposed to the predictor.

Some of the strongest predictors of future offending for youth ages 6 to 11 include prior criminal behavior, substance use, low socioeconomic status, antisocial parents, and aggressive behavior. In contrast, many of the strongest predictors of future offending for youth ages 12 to 14 revolve around peers; these include a lack of strong social ties, antisocial peers, poor school attitude and performance, psychological conditions such as impulsiveness, and prior delinquency. Individuals with these strong risk factors are 5 to 20 times more likely to engage in serious offending than those without these risk factors (Loeber & Farrington, 1998)."

Public Safety 2000: Predictors of Crime

Any of these factors can be present in any person of any ethnicity. Race is of no consequence when predicting criminal behavior.

That study appears to ignore race.

[LuckyGem]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

That study appears to ignore race.

It doesn't include race and it shouldn't.

A persons particular ethnic background is of absolutely no consequence with regard to predicting criminal behavior.

The crime is committed by an individual not a "race", skin color or ethnicity. Ethnicity cannot commit a crime, an individual commits a crime.

For example: Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

[1watertiger]

in the city of cleveland the black population kills itself at an alarming rate.same goes for detroit,st.loius,cinci,washington dc,etc.

[Humlermw]

Originally Posted by CTownNative

Yeah definetly a bad start for 2009 in Cleveland. Not to take away from the pain and sadness of people who lose a family member anytime of the year, but to have it happen 50 minutes after the new year starts. Rest in Peace to both them, and God bless the families who will have to live without their loved ones.

Sure, god bless them now that their loved ones are already dead. Pity he didn't have the time to bless them beforehand. Probably because he's not real.

[BelieveInCleve]

It is true that there is some connection between race and crime, but there are many things to consider, some obvious and some not.

You have to consider the poverty, where these people grew up, if it was a single parent household. Another important thing to consider is most cops are at least somewhat racist. Just my estimate would be that cops pull over blacks at least 4 times more than whites for the same thing. Blacks also get arrested at a higher rate and serve more time in prison than the same crime if another race did it. Hispanics are somewhere in the middle of black and white as far as that.

So yes it is true, but most of these studies are exaggerated. It seems like some people exaggerate it, and the others try to ignore or deny it completely, possibly in fear of being labeled a racist.

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by Cle440

It is true that there is some connection between race and crime, but there are many things to consider, some obvious and some not.

You have to consider the poverty, where these people grew up, if it was a single parent household. Another important thing to consider is most cops are at least somewhat racist. Just my estimate would be that cops pull over blacks at least 4 times more than whites for the same thing. Blacks also get arrested at a higher rate and serve more time in prison than the same crime if another race did it. Hispanics are somewhere in the middle of black and white as far as that.

So yes it is true, but most of these studies are exaggerated. It seems like some people exaggerate it, and the others try to ignore or deny it completely, possibly in fear of being labeled a racist.

More Whites live in Poverty, than Blacks.

More Whites grew up in Single Parent Households, than Blacks.

More Whites live in America, than Blacks.

However, Whites commit far less crime, than Blacks do.

Police arrest statistics, when compared to convictions, do not show a bias against Blacks. However, it could be argued, they show a bias against Whites.

"Are Police Biased?" page 2

http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf

The statistics do not appear to be exaggerated.

References begin on page 21

http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

in the city of cleveland the black population kills itself at an alarming rate.same goes for detroit,st.loius,cinci,washington dc,etc.

Interracial Crime

Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

Major Findings of The Color of Crime -- Second, Expanded Edition (2005)

[WeSoHood]

Chef Boyardee - you are posting stuff that is quite known by most people. MOD CUT Like I said, crime is a direct result of socio-economic problems. It's the same reason why Russia is much more violent, without being black("The Color of Crime" author would roll in his grave)... Or why the Philippines have a homicide rate 4 times that of the USA, without having practically ANY black people. My advice would be to get your elementary thesises out of here and do some REAL research on your own. MOD CUT I would be surprised to see how you would have been raised if you had been in Scotland your entire life. A country that is plagued by violent crime committed by none other then....... WHITES!