are you staying OR are you going? (Cleveland, Canton: HOA fees, car insurance)

[LewLew]

Originally Posted by airics

i am not singling you out.. several posts of yours imply that you are here and have been for many years (our city..our this.. our that..etc)... you mention that you have travelled all over the place and haven't lived here for 15yrs... when you are again a resident, then you can express your facts..(incidentally what facts do you have?). for now they are merely opinions...

I consider it my home. I consider it my city. If someone moves to Cleveland and has lived there a year of their life, does that mean they would be more entitled to say that, and inclined to have REAL facts and knowledge? I'm not sure I really even understand what your beef is. I consider it my city; I love the area; I will defend the area (opinion or not), and the facts that I enclosed in the post are facts (links to articles, census reports, published statistics, etc.) Whether I say it's a great city, and here is why I believe it is...I'm not saying it's because "its pretty, its classy" I am stating it's because of culture, the arts, restaurants, the park systems, the character etc which are all published facts about the area. I have a lot of history in the area, and current stake in the area...so I'm not sure why you think my facts or opinions are any different than anyone else's. I'm not saying "I live there now, and never did state that".

[airics]

i'm not trying to beef.. sorry if i came out that way... i just think that alot of things have changed (for good and bad) since you have been here...

[LewLew]

Originally Posted by airics

i'm not trying to beef.. sorry if i came out that way... i just think that alot of things have changed (for good and bad) since you have been here...

I have stated that in my posts as well. I admit that Cleveland has many things they could work on and it's certainly not a perfect city at all. I'm really not trying to idealize and romanticize the area. Just not letting naysayers flush it in the toilet and be so narrow-minded.

[airics]

gotcha! imagine this city with a winning football team!

[LewLew]

Originally Posted by airics

gotcha! imagine this city with a winning football team!

Now that would be nice, and UNEXPECTED!

[Kasey77]

LewLew,
When was the last time you were in Cleveland?

[Clevelander17]

Originally Posted by xwideopenskyx

Please provide websites with this data.

Population
City of Phoenix: 1,552,259 people
Cuyahoga County: 1,393,978 people

Area (Land Only)
City of Phoenix: 517 square miles
Cuyahoga County: 458 square miles

Poverty Rate
City of Phoenix: 15.8%
Cuyahoga County: 13.1%

Per Capita Income
City of Phoenix: $19,833
Cuyahoga County: $22,272

Unemployment Rate
Phoenix (metropolitan area): 6.3%
Cuyahoga County: 7.1%

I had trouble finding reliable information on the last category. As you can see, that figure is for the entire Valley area, not just Phoenix proper.

Phoenix, Arizona - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Cuyahoga County, Ohio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Unemployment rates up: Arizona 6.9 percent, Phoenix metro 6.3 percent - Phoenix Business Journal:
December 2008 Ranking of Ohio County Unemployment Rates (Not Seasonally Adjusted)

So what does this mean? When looking at these two similar entities (Cuyahoga County and the City of Phoenix), we find that they are very comparable. Cuyahoga County surprisingly comes out on top in two of the three important indicators. And this is when compared to one of the poster cities for the booming Sun Belt.

[LewLew]

Originally Posted by Kasey77

LewLew,
When was the last time you were in Cleveland?

In November for 3 weeks, and last month for 10 days. All my family still lives in the Cleveland area (east side), which is why I've said I don't have much knowledge of the West side. We have a family business that has been in Mayfield Heights for over 5 decades. I try to get to the area as often as I am able. I'll be back again the beginning of March for another couple weeks.

[LewLew]

Originally Posted by airics

i'm not trying to beef.. sorry if i came out that way... i just think that alot of things have changed (for good and bad) since you have been here...

Hey airics, I just went back and looked at the whole thread, and appears the OP doesn't live in Cleveland either, and is coming back to Cleveland. Appears there is more than one of us, and even the deterioration of some things in Cleveland doesn't deter us natives.

[Kasey77]

Originally Posted by LewLew

In November for 3 weeks, and last month for 10 days. All my family still lives in the Cleveland area (east side), which is why I've said I don't have much knowledge of the West side. We have a family business that has been in Mayfield Heights for over 5 decades. I try to get to the area as often as I am able. I'll be back again the beginning of March for another couple weeks.

Well, you certainly are not blinded then. I had been gone so long and was shocked at what my city looked like. Still, is not detering me. I want to go home.