I survived Cleveland!!! (Columbus, Cincinnati, Parma: crime rates, credit, loans)

[BelieveInCleve]

LewLew,
Im sorry, but you have a lot of errors and misunderstandings in your other post.

First of all let me say that there isnt much you can teach me about crime and crime stats, just to get that out of the way. Ive been researching this stuff for years. Not bragging, just saying. Second, this thread is about the city of Cleveland. It wasnt about the Cleveland metro. Cleveland as a city is more dangerous than any city in Florida over 75k.

Those links you put up show that Cleveland is more dangerous then Miami. Cleveland also had 119 murders in 2006 ( http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007...ng_body_f.html ), not 75. Who knows how many of the other categories are flawed. You say Jacksonville has more murders than Cleveland as to say its more dangerous, but your forgetting the size factor that you were just trying to teach me. Jacksonville has a much higher population than the city of Cleveland, thus Cleveland has a much higher murder rate than Jacksonville. Actually, Cleveland had more murders than Jacksonville that year anyway (if 110 is correct for Jacksonville). Those suburbs you mentioned are in the metro, theyre not part of the city. If were talking about metros, I already mentioned that Cape Coral-Fort Myers metro is slightly more dangerous than Cleveland metro. They are both above national average though. However as cities, Cleveland is much more dangerous than all of those.

[LewLew]

Originally Posted by Cle440

LewLew,
Im sorry, but you have a lot of errors and misunderstandings in your other post.

First of all let me say that there isnt much you can teach me about crime and crime stats, just to get that out of the way. Ive been researching this stuff for years. Not bragging, just saying. Second, this thread is about the city of Cleveland. It wasnt about the Cleveland metro. Cleveland as a city is more dangerous than any city in Florida over 75k.

Those links you put up show that Cleveland is more dangerous then Miami. Cleveland also had 119 murders in 2006 ( Cleveland records 119th homicide with 17-year-old found shot - Metro - cleveland.com ), not 75. Who knows how many of the other categories are flawed. You say Jacksonville has more murders than Cleveland as to say its more dangerous, but your forgetting the size factor that you were just trying to teach me. Jacksonville has a much higher population than the city of Cleveland, thus Cleveland has a much higher murder rate than Jacksonville. Actually, Cleveland had more murders than Jacksonville that year anyway (if 110 is correct for Jacksonville). Those suburbs you mentioned are in the metro, theyre not part of the city. If were talking about metros, I already mentioned that Cape Coral-Fort Myers metro is slightly more dangerous than Cleveland metro. They are both above national average though. However as cities, Cleveland is much more dangerous than all of those.

I'm not going to get in a pissing match b/c I'm not moving to the hood, so I guess I'm not going to comment further. However, I will say that Jacksonville is very much like Cleveland in that when you say Cleveland, most people assume the whole area. When you say Jax, they do to. The crime for Jax is not the 700K population. Jacksonville's crime rate (as I lived there) is mainly for downtown, and a 10 square block radius in the West and Northwest sides of the city. There are a couple here and there in other areas. However, statistics lump all the counties into Jacksonville population numbers...so again, it's more dangerous. Jacksonville population on statistics is incorporating Clay, Duval, St Johns and Nassau Counties. However, the crime stats (aside from 1-5 of the murders) are all in Duval only. And, Duval is about the size Cleveland. It's smaller than Cuyahoga County. Therefore, it really is all in how you read and understand the statistics.

[LewLew]

I am sure that I don't have the latest data (I just pulled some for the post), but I do have current data for FL available. I was merely saying that it was silly to say you survived Cleveland like you were in some sort of war zone. I was making the point that it's comical that someone would be that scared of Cleveland. I know Cleveland isn't safe, but common sense tells you that. :-)

[BelieveInCleve]

I didnt mean to get into a debate either. I just felt there were some false things said.

I am pretty sure that the thread starter was being sarcastic though. At least thats what I assumed. The city of Cleveland is pretty dangerous, the area as a whole is relatively safe though, although above average. Common sense and street smarts should keep you out of trouble in nearly all of the city of Cleveland and the metro.

[jlawrence01]

Originally Posted by Cle440

I am pretty sure that the thread starter was being sarcastic though. At least thats what I assumed. The city of Cleveland is pretty dangerous, the area as a whole is relatively safe though, although above average. Common sense and street smarts should keep you out of trouble in nearly all of the city of Cleveland and the metro.

Over the years, I have worked in Spanish Harlem and the projects of Detroit and St. Louis and a lot of places scarier than 95% of the city of Cleveland. And believe it or not, I survived and was never a victim of crime.

When you look at murder rates (and assault for that matter), eliminate the domestic homicides, the drug war murders, and the people in the wrong neighborhood looking for drugs, hookers, and the like, you will find that the chances of a person falling is fairly uncommon.

[CTownNative]

I was born and raised in the Cleveland area in the inner ring suburb of Euclid, like right near the border of Cleveland for most of my life so Im very familier with the city of Cleveland. One thing that always needs to be siad is that while the city of Cleveland has high crime and most surely has some really bad areas, the suburbs for the most part are very safe. Euclid is considered one of the more dangerous suburbs and if you look at the crime there its not terrible, I mean it has its fare share of it but its not a war zone or anything like that. Even the worst areas of Cleveland aren't scary to ride through during the day. I've been to bad areas in Cleveland, Chicago, and Denver and I don't believe all the hype of having to be scared driving through the "bad" neighborhoods. Yeah I know theres more crime there, but so what is that suppoused to scare me away from touring other neighborhoods that I don't live in. Also its possible to be a victim of crime in any neighborhood, wether its considered good or bad. As Cle440 siad its basically about street smarts, and that applies to whereever you are, good or bad neighborhood.

[ctownplayer]

Originally Posted by LewLew

I am curious if some of you have ever lived anywhere but Cleveland. Cleveland has rough spots for sure, but it's not the worst place out there. I personally have to think the OP was being sarcastic b/c it's comical actually.
I have to laugh. I live in Estero near Naples, and you will see gangster tats on tons of people. There are burglaries nightly. Car break-ins in gated communities. We are the number 3 state for child porn offenders and kidnappings. We have the largest population of sex offenders in the US.
Personally, I'll take knowing where the bad parts of Cleveland are any day of the week, and making sure I stay out of them over walking on a sunlit day, being car-jacked at the mall, and being killed alongside my 6 month old daughter for my craphole Honda Civic. That is South FL my friends. Cleveland is cake.

are you serious?!?!?

i am sorry for quoting such an old post, but this is ridiculous!! i used to live on st. clair st. adjacent to e.99. any real clevelander will know that area. i guarantee you if you walk in that area any time of the day you will have a 70% chance of being accosted by someone. just cause south florida has crapload of perverts doesn't mean it's dangerous.

[ctownplayer]

Originally Posted by todd72173

I moved here from Jersey City, NJ..Worked in NYC...I have seen nothing close to what Ive seen in NJ/NYC. Ohio is like candyland compared to that.

try living in e. cleveland for a week and see if you still wanna stick to that statement. sorry for quoting old posts again but some people's naivety kills me. i've been shot twice, robbed and stabbed, been in countless fights all while living in rough neighborhoods.

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by ctownplayer

try living in e. cleveland for a week and see if you still wanna stick to that statement. sorry for quoting old posts again but some people's naivety kills me. i've been shot twice, robbed and stabbed, been in countless fights all while living in rough neighborhoods.

Now that sounds like East Cleveland: Ghetto! I know, I know, there are some nice blocks, but the people who live there have the scars to prove, East Cleveland is Ghetto!

And I'll tell you what, FBI crime statistics, they don't show the half of it, because it never gets reported. Think about it, why would you bother. There isn't much point, because they ain't gonna catch them.

[brian515]

I just moved to FL from Parma. Parma is ok but not the nicest suburb. In Cleveland most of the suburbs are nice but the city itself as people have said is terrible. Downtown looks like a war zone now and is full of panhandlers. Cleveland is so rundown it's painful. The west side is almost just as ugly these days, the only nice part of Cleveland proper is part of west park near the Lakewood border. Suburbs like North Royalton, Westlake, Strongsville are quite nice.