Consolidated Cleveland-Cuyahoga Pro's and Con's (Strongsville, Medina: ticket, money, park)

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

"The residents of Linndale enjoy a close-knit community with frequent community activities. Linndale reinvests much of its income from traffic tickets into social services for residents. The town provides flu shots, a dumpster for public use, free smoke and carbon monoxide detectors, a community mobile book library, and many other services. Traditionally, there is an annual Christmas party where each child in the village receives a gift. There are summer clambakes and other village parties, and frequent events honoring Veterans at the town's Peace Memorial."

Sounds like a nice town. Quite frankly, the norm these days is for people to disregard posted speed limits. I think that is dangerous. Remember, outside of old age illnesses, the most likely cause of death is automobile accidents. So, maybe you shouldn't be so critical of Linndale, Ohio.

Linndale, Ohio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When you have to defend Linndale, which basically just steals money from working people who drive in and out of Cleveland on I-71, you probably don't have much of a point.

[jam40jeff]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

When you have to defend Linndale, which basically just steals money from working people who drive in and out of Cleveland on I-71, you probably don't have much of a point.

And he's making a major assumption that speed limit enforcement by police of a posted limit which is under the 85th percentile speed actually makes the roads safer.

[Clevelander17]

I think he just likes to be disagreeable, especially when it comes to discussing things with people who are generally positive about Cleveland.

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by jam40jeff

Well my experience has taught me you are rigid. And it is an ad hominem attack when you attack some pereception about ME rather than the argument, which once again you spent doing through your entire post. Why would I admit being wrong when I of course don't think I am? I am assuming you don't think you are wrong either, but I must assume you are if you don't have any arguments other than to attack me personally. If you gave me reasons to think I was wrong, I would accept that. But you won't convince me of anything by deflecting the argument.

I think I already have, but you appear to be in denial.

[Chef Boyardee]

Linndale does not = Bad

[jam40jeff]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

I think I already have, but you appear to be in denial.

You have never addressed the fact that Linndale gives an incomparably higher number of tickets for the miles of highway it polices than the city of Cleveland, and apparently you have no argument.

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by jam40jeff

You have never addressed the fact that Linndale gives an incomparably higher number of tickets for the miles of highway it polices than the city of Cleveland, and apparently you have no argument.

Oh please! Cleveland hardly patrols most of The City!!!!

[Chef Boyardee]

Fine, everybody hates Linndale, because of how they used to patrol I-71 and who can blame them. Still, I think that is one of the fundamental differences between The City of Cleveland and the surrounding suburbs: law enforcement. The suburbs are a lot tougher and sometimes, they are too much and, may even seem greedy. Yet, given the choice, most "people" still prefer tough law enforcement to weak law enforcement.

Remember, you aren't gonna get fined or jailed in most of The City of Cleveland for improperly walking your dog, spitting on the sidewalk, drinking a beer in your parked car or having an argument with your wife/ghetto hoe. However, you better watch it in the "nicer" suburbs.

http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF19...r/Steber04.jpg

Know Your Rights: What to Do If You're Stopped by the Police | American Civil Liberties Union

Good video for morons who forget: just because the whole world is partying, doesn't mean you can do it in the suburbs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

[redshoesrock]

I would have to, if the issue was up for vote in Cuyahoga County of which I live in, vote in favor of a city-county consolidation. I can look at other parts of the country where a consolidated city-county government has been enacted such as Indianapolis, San Fransisco, Denver, Nashville, Philadelphia, New Orleans, Louisville, and Honolulu and all have had outstanding results. Does that mean that those cities don't have problems? Of course not, that's just pie-in-the-sky thinking. We're human beings, and as flawed creatures, we will always have problems. Having said that I do think that consolidating Cleveland into Cuyahoga County and have them be coterminous would, in both the short and long term, be a benefit for the entire region. I think of it like a wheel with the hub (Cleveland) and its spokes (the suburbs of Cleveland within Cuyahoga County). What happens to the hub affects the spokes for good or for bad. Like it or not, Cleveland and its suburbs share a symbiotic relationship. Perhaps it's just me, but I would love the opportunity to live in a city with 1.4 million residents (we would be the sixth-largest city in the U.S.) and command that large of a tax base to improve living conditions and attract new business. To not worry about constant budget shortfalls and woes forcing cutbacks of necessary city services like road maintenance, fire and police? Consolidation of services like those are already happening between some suburbs like Shaker Heights, University Heights, and Cleveland Heights for cost saving measures and increased service. As another example in 1969 the seven counties surrounding the Twin Cities (Minneapolis/St. Paul) began sharing taxes from new business and industry, pooling the money and giving it to the communities that needed it most. Designed to revive the Twin Cities, the plan worked so well that Minneapolis now SENDS tax money to its suburbs. The new Cleveland would also be able to command over half a BILLION dollars (that's "billion" with a "b") in borrowing power. And finally, as cheesy as this may sound, living in a city of 1.4 million with a region working together in the interests of everyone here in Northeast Ohio would instill a much needed boost of civic pride in a city and region that, let's face it, has been the butt of nearly every joke since the day the Cuyahoga River caught on fire.

[WeSoHood]

I think it was fair better if suburbs/communities started sharing resources like police force, court system, etc first.. I know the westside did that with Fire, SWAT, and Courts. I think the Rocky River Court system is the 2nd largest in Cuyahoga County behind Cleveland.

I just don't think at this point people are ready to combine school districts that are lagging behind their own. Consolidation would certainly increase the appeal of Cleveland though.