Consolidated Cleveland-Cuyahoga Pro's and Con's (Parma, Lakewood: school district, university, moving)

[Clevelander17]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

The City of Cleveland and who?

The City of Cleveland and East Cleveland and Linndale. But when I say "Cleveland," I'm usually referring to the entire region. The City of Cleveland doesn't have to merge with anyone, however if some of its suburbs merged with each other, they, and the region, would probably be better off.

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by Clevelander17

The City of Cleveland and East Cleveland and Linndale. But when I say "Cleveland," I'm usually referring to the entire region. The City of Cleveland doesn't have to merge with anyone, however if some of its suburbs merged with each other, they, and the region, would probably be better off.

I hear what you are saying, but the primary argument seems to be: if cities combine services they will save A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY. SO MUCH SO, THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO FUND MANY PROGRAMS THEY WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE TO ABANDON. I'm sorry, but I don't think that is true. It may seem like common sense, but quite frankly, it seems incompetent. I'll explain.

Lets say we combined a school system. We wouldn't need less classrooms, teachers, textbooks, heat, electricity or water. We wouldn't need less school lunches or people to cut the grass. What we would have less of would be a HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO MAKE A RELATIVELY TINY AMOUNT OF MONEY. That isn't savings, it is a power grab.

[jam40jeff]

Economies of scale...the cost of many resources don't grow linearly. Besides, many schools have undersized classes or can't offer classes because not enough students would fill the class (especially AP classes, electives, and extracurriculars). If two schools combined, each with a small choir, band, AP classes, sports teams, etc., you could probably get away with half the number of teachers, coaches, equipment, and facilities. The same goes for fire departments, police departments, etc. There is a lot of needless repetition when departments are so small.

[BelieveInCleve]

Wow I completely forgot about Linndale. Its so tiny. The new census estimates put it at a population of 90.

[jam40jeff]

Yet they give more tickets than any other city on I-71.

[BelieveInCleve]

jam40jeff, you said this in that other thread that is now closed so I will reply in here:

"Those of us that have been around the country and actually live here (I know you live in Lorain County) know that there are many crime problems that need to be improved, but that Cleveland surely isn't far and away the most dangerous place in the country or a war zone everywhere you look like some would have you believe." -jam40jeff

You say that as if Im just going off of what I hear about Cleveland and have never been there. Cleveland is my birthplace, I even spent my early childhood there. I was born off Storer Ave. While growing up mostly Elyria and Lorain I was in the city of Cleveland very often and even lived in my old neighborhood and also off Superior near E85th for different periods of time. I lived in the city for a period of my adult life as well not long ago. I still have a lot of family and friends in the city of Cleveland and am in the city at least every week.

Ive also been all over the East Coast and Midwest, Plains, and part of the south. Dont act as if I dont know what Im talking about. Ive most likely been just as many places as you, and know just as much about Cleveland as you, if not more.

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by jam40jeff

Economies of scale...the cost of many resources don't grow linearly. Besides, many schools have undersized classes or can't offer classes because not enough students would fill the class (especially AP classes, electives, and extracurriculars). If two schools combined, each with a small choir, band, AP classes, sports teams, etc., you could probably get away with half the number of teachers, coaches, equipment, and facilities. The same goes for fire departments, police departments, etc. There is a lot of needless repetition when departments are so small.

Well, The City of Cleveland has already solved that problem: there are simply some areas they don't police

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by jam40jeff

Yet they give more tickets than any other city on I-71.

I remember hearing about that now. Hasnt happened to me yet, thankfully.

[Chef Boyardee]

"The residents of Linndale enjoy a close-knit community with frequent community activities. Linndale reinvests much of its income from traffic tickets into social services for residents. The town provides flu shots, a dumpster for public use, free smoke and carbon monoxide detectors, a community mobile book library, and many other services. Traditionally, there is an annual Christmas party where each child in the village receives a gift. There are summer clambakes and other village parties, and frequent events honoring Veterans at the town's Peace Memorial."

Sounds like a nice town. Quite frankly, the norm these days is for people to disregard posted speed limits. I think that is dangerous. Remember, outside of old age illnesses, the most likely cause of death is automobile accidents. So, maybe you shouldn't be so critical of Linndale, Ohio.

Linndale, Ohio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Clevelander17]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

"The residents of Linndale enjoy a close-knit community with frequent community activities. Linndale reinvests much of its income from traffic tickets into social services for residents. The town provides flu shots, a dumpster for public use, free smoke and carbon monoxide detectors, a community mobile book library, and many other services. Traditionally, there is an annual Christmas party where each child in the village receives a gift. There are summer clambakes and other village parties, and frequent events honoring Veterans at the town's Peace Memorial."

Sounds like a nice town. Quite frankly, the norm these days is for people to disregard posted speed limits. I think that is dangerous. Remember, outside of old age illnesses, the most likely cause of death is automobile accidents. So, maybe you shouldn't be so critical of Linndale, Ohio.

Linndale, Ohio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sounds like a city that doesn't understand the role of government, but enjoys wealth redistribution at the expense of non-residents.