I Need Reasons why I should buy a home in Cleveland (Youngstown: apartment, homeowners association)

[mikemeatball]

Yep, it's because they are expanding.

Not that simple, CC bought the surrounding slum in a cheap price, then build the new campus on top of them.

Also, CC police is the third largest station in Cleveland city.

Now you know why.

[Chef Boyardee]

Sure, location has nothing to do with it

[Chef Boyardee]

Did I mention this area, well at least parts of it ~ahem~, have a track record of being relatively stable, when compared to the rest of The Nation That's a pretty good reason to buy... in a neighborhood that isn't scary!

Still, I hear the greatest draw to The West, South and Far East Sides is Yard SizE.

[jam40jeff]

Is that your backyard?

[Chef Boyardee]

Green space is nice. Particularly, when it doesn't cost taxpayers 500 million dollars to provide it

[jam40jeff]

Green space IS nice. Especially when it's contiguous. 1/4 to 1/2 acre suburban lots, of which only half is ever used due to the inevitable plopping of the home in the middle of the lot, aren't very useful. Dense neighborhoods with plenty of parks (much larger than 1/2 acre) scattered throughout are much preferable (and useful) in my opinion.

[Chef Boyardee]

I enjoy my privacy

[jam40jeff]

Good, that's why you have a house. What could you possibly gain from a 1/4 acre lot, like many suburbs have these days. And if you believe everyone should own 2 acres so they can hide in the middle of it for "privacy", then I would say you aren't a realistic citizen of this planet. There simply is not enough land to give people huge green buffer zones from every other person on the planet, and still be able to live off the land.

I believe the biggest detriment to society we have seen since WWII is the insular mentality that suburbs have created. Whereas places used to truly be communities, whether big city like Cleveland or small town like Gallipolis, people now isolate themselves as much as possible. They get a house on a lot with a green buffer from their niehgbors and still feel the need to fence it in. They don't even have to leave their house to get into their car. They then drive to work alone and park in a parking lot and head straight into their building, not having to acknowledge anyone else exists, except to perhaps exhibit some road rage on the interstate. At the end of the work day, they do it in reverse. We are replacing multi-acre city parks having basketball courts, baseball fields, and pool, with tiny backyard pools and 1/4 acre lots for the kids to play in. And we have successfully created an increasingly selfish, socially maladjusted society.

This has gotten way off topic anyways. How about some facts about whether or not buying a home in Cleveland is a good move. I believe it si a safe bet here because you will not make a lot of money, but you will not lose a lot either. If you are buying a home to live in, it's a safe investment. The Plain Dealer yesterday had a graph on home prices across the nation and around Cleveland. Cleveland's median home values did not skyrocket like the US average, but also has not plummeted like the entire country has either. So I think it's best to find a place you will enjoy living and buy a house there, and don't worry too much about "playing the real estate market".

[LewLew]

Originally Posted by jam40jeff

Good, that's why you have a house. What could you possibly gain from a 1/4 acre lot, like many suburbs have these days. And if you believe everyone should own 2 acres so they can hide in the middle of it for "privacy", then I would say you aren't a realistic citizen of this planet. There simply is not enough land to give people huge green buffer zones from every other person on the planet, and still be able to live off the land.

I believe the biggest detriment to society we have seen since WWII is the insular mentality that suburbs have created. Whereas places used to truly be communities, whether big city like Cleveland or small town like Gallipolis, people now isolate themselves as much as possible. They get a house on a lot with a green buffer from their niehgbors and still feel the need to fence it in. They don't even have to leave their house to get into their car. They then drive to work alone and park in a parking lot and head straight into their building, not having to acknowledge anyone else exists, except to perhaps exhibit some road rage on the interstate. At the end of the work day, they do it in reverse. We are replacing multi-acre city parks having basketball courts, baseball fields, and pool, with tiny backyard pools and 1/4 acre lots for the kids to play in. And we have successfully created an increasingly selfish, socially maladjusted society.

This has gotten way off topic anyways. How about some facts about whether or not buying a home in Cleveland is a good move. I believe it si a safe bet here because you will not make a lot of money, but you will not lose a lot either. If you are buying a home to live in, it's a safe investment. The Plain Dealer yesterday had a graph on home prices across the nation and around Cleveland. Cleveland's median home values did not skyrocket like the US average, but also has not plummeted like the entire country has either. So I think it's best to find a place you will enjoy living and buy a house there, and don't worry too much about "playing the real estate market".

Excellent post.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by jam40jeff

Good, that's why you have a house. What could you possibly gain from a 1/4 acre lot, like many suburbs have these days. And if you believe everyone should own 2 acres so they can hide in the middle of it for "privacy", then I would say you aren't a realistic citizen of this planet. There simply is not enough land to give people huge green buffer zones from every other person on the planet, and still be able to live off the land.

I believe the biggest detriment to society we have seen since WWII is the insular mentality that suburbs have created. Whereas places used to truly be communities, whether big city like Cleveland or small town like Gallipolis, people now isolate themselves as much as possible. They get a house on a lot with a green buffer from their niehgbors and still feel the need to fence it in. They don't even have to leave their house to get into their car. They then drive to work alone and park in a parking lot and head straight into their building, not having to acknowledge anyone else exists, except to perhaps exhibit some road rage on the interstate. At the end of the work day, they do it in reverse. We are replacing multi-acre city parks having basketball courts, baseball fields, and pool, with tiny backyard pools and 1/4 acre lots for the kids to play in. And we have successfully created an increasingly selfish, socially maladjusted society.

This has gotten way off topic anyways. How about some facts about whether or not buying a home in Cleveland is a good move. I believe it si a safe bet here because you will not make a lot of money, but you will not lose a lot either. If you are buying a home to live in, it's a safe investment. The Plain Dealer yesterday had a graph on home prices across the nation and around Cleveland. Cleveland's median home values did not skyrocket like the US average, but also has not plummeted like the entire country has either. So I think it's best to find a place you will enjoy living and buy a house there, and don't worry too much about "playing the real estate market".

You must not watch TV, you ignorant ass. You can get HURT out there!

And let's be honest, the real reason people get 1/2 acre lots is because the gargantuan chunk of time that it takes to maintain the property gives them an excuse to not go for what they really want in life. People ask them, "So, why don't you write a book or join a community organization? You always talk about it." And the person responds, "But I'm so BUSY all the time! All I do is work on the house and yard the whole weekend! But it's ok, because THAT'S WHAT GOOD AMERICANS DO WITH THEIR TIME!"