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native from "years ago" things and times change.... and did i say how bad cleveland is? just don't glorify a place that you haven't been to in years...
I'm also fairly certain that she's been back recently in preparation to move. But I get the point you're making.
That would be true for factual items. However, it was opinion that was being presented.
For the most part, Cleveland has undergone changes for the worse, not the better. So, someone coming back here may indeed, be surprised and disappointed at what they see.
For the most part, Cleveland has undergone changes for the worse, not the better. So, someone coming back here may indeed, be surprised and disappointed at what they see.
I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement. Is Cleveland the city it once was? No, but it has come a long way from its industrial past and is starting to adjust to our post-industrial society. Cleveland is doing a good job in diversifying it economy. Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals are expanding, the bio science industry is growing, and many smaller and diverse companies are moving into the region (Tyler Village being a good example of this). With the medical mart moving here, hopefully we can expand upon our medical strengths.
Also, Cleveland has many neighborhoods that are being revitilized and breathing new life into the city (Warehouse District, East 4th/Gateway, Downtown in general, Ohio City, Tremont, Detroit-Shoreway, Gordon Square, Battery Park, Coventry, University Circle, Shaker Square, Little Italy, North Colinwood, etc.). The population of Downtown Cleveland alone has doubled in size (from somewhere around 5,000 people in 2000 to about 10,000 today).
Not to mention Cleveland has great amenities, like the Cleveland Orchestra, The Cleveland Museum of Art, the Botanical Gardens, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, The Great Lakes Science Center, Playhouse Square, Three professional sports teams, the Metro Parks, a great music scene (House of Blues, the Agora, Grog Shop, Beachland Ballroom, etc.), as well as an amazing arts scene.
I believe that Cleveland has a lot of potential. The only thing that is holding this region back are people like you (Chef Boyardee) who have a negative outlook on life. Are we going through hard times? Yes, but so is the rest of the country. Let's celebrate our success and work for solutions to our problems. Instead of taking the PD seriously and saying how bad Cleveland is, how about you do something to change the city?
Lastly, instead of trying to discourage someone who WANTS to move to the city, why don't you welcome them? They have chosen to move here and did not go about it in a naive way. They have done their research and have found that they like it here.
I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement. Is Cleveland the city it once was? No, but it has come a long way from its industrial past and is starting to adjust to our post-industrial society. Cleveland is doing a good job in diversifying it economy. Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals are expanding, the bio science industry is growing, and many smaller and diverse companies are moving into the region (Tyler Village being a good example of this). With the medical mart moving here, hopefully we can expand upon our medical strengths.
Also, Cleveland has many neighborhoods that are being revitilized and breathing new life into the city (Warehouse District, East 4th/Gateway, Downtown in general, Ohio City, Tremont, Detroit-Shoreway, Gordon Square, Battery Park, Coventry, University Circle, Shaker Square, Little Italy, North Colinwood, etc.). The population of Downtown Cleveland alone has doubled in size (from somewhere around 5,000 people in 2000 to about 10,000 today).
Not to mention Cleveland has great amenities, like the Cleveland Orchestra, The Cleveland Museum of Art, the Botanical Gardens, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, The Great Lakes Science Center, Playhouse Square, Three professional sports teams, the Metro Parks, a great music scene (House of Blues, the Agora, Grog Shop, Beachland Ballroom, etc.), as well as an amazing arts scene.
I believe that Cleveland has a lot of potential. The only thing that is holding this region back are people like you (Chef Boyardee) who have a negative outlook on life. Are we going through hard times? Yes, but so is the rest of the country. Let's celebrate our success and work for solutions to our problems. Instead of taking the PD seriously and saying how bad Cleveland is, how about you do something to change the city?
Lastly, instead of trying to discourage someone who WANTS to move to the city, why don't you welcome them? They have chosen to move here and did not go about it in a naive way. They have done their research and have found that they like it here.
Good post. Two points of contention, however:
1) Coventry/Grog Shop is actually in Cleveland Heights. But if you want to include the suburbs, well, there are a lot of great things going on there, too.
2) Cleveland does have a lot of potential, and some great assets, but what's really holding it back is an overall anti-business climate. If Cleveland is doing alright as it is right now, I wonder just how much better it could be if we actually had leaders that encouraged businesses to locate here, instead of chasing them away.
Tyler Village has done a wonderful job attracting business, and much of it has been made possible through tax relief and historic preservation credits from the city.
FCE continually receives "deals" from the city and county, so much so that a lot of people complain they receive too much public aid.
Mayor Jackson drove a good bargain in selling the convention center. He assured the Medical Mart would be coming to town, that Cleveland would reap beenfits from the deal, and that a park (Perk Plaza) would be renovated.
The city of Cleveland bent over backwards to keep Eaton, but Beachwood held enough cards (and Eaton was hell-bent on a suburban corporate park) so they lost them, to no fault of the city.
I'm sure there are some examples of where leaders could have done more, but I surely don't feel that Cleveland isn't trying hard to retain and attract businesses.
Tyler Village has done a wonderful job attracting business, and much of it has been made possible through tax relief and historic preservation credits from the city.
FCE continually receives "deals" from the city and county, so much so that a lot of people complain they receive too much public aid.
Mayor Jackson drove a good bargain in selling the convention center. He assured the Medical Mart would be coming to town, that Cleveland would reap beenfits from the deal, and that a park (Perk Plaza) would be renovated.
The city of Cleveland bent over backwards to keep Eaton, but Beachwood held enough cards (and Eaton was hell-bent on a suburban corporate park) so they lost them, to no fault of the city.
I'm sure there are some examples of where leaders could have done more, but I surely don't feel that Cleveland isn't trying hard to retain and attract businesses.
High taxes, high regulations, a union dominated culture, etc. These things need to change if Cleveland/Ohio is ever going to thoroughly and completely turn things around.
High taxes, high regulations, a union dominated culture, etc. These things need to change if Cleveland/Ohio is ever going to thoroughly and completely turn things around.
Oh yeah and crime. How about a police force that actually responds to calls? No, no, I know, I'm being "negative"
Gee, wouldn't it be nice to have industries here, besides Medical. Not to be picky, but what do we do when The Baby Boomers die?
Oh well, at least we've renovated Ohio City. I know that place has got to be super high on one of those quality of life scales
Still, Cleveland does have The World's Best Entertainment!
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