2007 Cleveland Homicides (Cincinnati, Lorain, Hamilton: real estate, housing, rent)

[hillside]

why do ppl get so offended?

cle440:
we know cleveland's tough. just bc im the first dont mean im wrong...i said ppl frm the lake living in nati thought cinci was worse...you say ppl on this blog say cle is worse...whats the diff?

1watertiger:

if cleveland was misreported, then you proved my point about trusting stats. if murder stats can be wrong, overall crime stats has to be a crapshoot.

cleveland has more open space and lots to enhance the effect whereas cinci is older, denser and slummier. each to his own, ok? truthfully the two cities are so similar in struggle that its splitting hairs when you consider crime, schools, corruption, economy, etc. let me clear this up...there are 10 cities i consider to be inherently bad. some of our best, but definitely our worst.

worst of the worst...no order

new orleans
detroit
baltimore
dc
st louis

a hair under...no order

cincinnati
cleveland
philly
miami
oakland

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by hillside

why do ppl get so offended?

cle440:
we know cleveland's tough. just bc im the first dont mean im wrong...i said ppl frm the lake living in nati thought cinci was worse...you say ppl on this blog say cle is worse...whats the diff?

1watertiger:

if cleveland was misreported, then you proved my point about trusting stats. if murder stats can be wrong, overall crime stats has to be a crapshoot.

cleveland has more open space and lots to enhance the effect whereas cinci is older, denser and slummier. each to his own, ok? truthfully the two cities are so similar in struggle that its splitting hairs when you consider crime, schools, corruption, economy, etc. let me clear this up...there are 10 cities i consider to be inherently bad. some of our best, but definitely our worst.

Your data about Cinci being more dense is false also. Cleveland has a higher population density. So I don't know where you get your inflated stats from. Your argument lacks any substantial evidence, whereas I know that Cleveland has higher crime, more densely populated, and more poverty stricken.

worst of the worst...no order

new orleans
detroit
baltimore
dc
st louis

a hair under...no order

cincinnati
cleveland
philly
miami
oakland

Cleveland is annually poorer and has more crime then Cinci. Also, abandoned homes in Cleveland is much worse than Cinci. I'm sorry - Cinci is heads and shoulders better than Cleveland. Only city that compare to Cleveland is Youngstown.

Next, Baltimore - Detroit - St Louis are certainly worse than Cleveland most years. Although, Baltimore was ranked below Cleveland in crime and above Cinci. Cleveland was ranked #10 (cinci #16)Safest and Most Dangerous U.S. Cities, 2007 — Infoplease.com. DC has had a large drop in crime, and I've lived there. It's not worse than Cleveland anymore. Philly gets a bad reputation because supposedly they had a high number of homicides. Well, per capita - Cleveland is higher. Miami only had 70 some homicides I believe this year? About the size of Cleveland with half the homicides.

If you want to compare cities to Cleveland: Detroit, Flint, St Louis, Oakland, and Camden are better alternatives.

To sum it up for you: You made up the fact that Cinci was more densely populated. You made up the fact that Cinci is poorer/slummier. Sorry, Cleveland is Americas poorest city 2 out of the last 3 years and was in the top 10 for crime 2 out of the last 3 years.

Just don't come in here debating if you are going to throw out non-sense. Sure, Cinci is up there, but they are not in as deep of a hole as Cleveland.

Originally Posted by hillside

1watertiger:

if cleveland was misreported, then you proved my point about trusting stats. if murder stats can be wrong, overall crime stats has to be a crapshoot.

Yes, the murder stats can be wrong. But he is implying there were probably MORE murders than given. Ironically, Cincinnati had 66 murders in 2007. Cleveland had 134. Cinci only has 70,000 less people. So the murder per capita was MUCH higher in Cleveland. 33 per 100,000 compared to Cincis 20 per 100,000. All through this thread you've continued to show you know nothing about crime statistics and/or Cleveland.

[Cle440]

Im not getting offended over anything. I live closer to Cleveland so why would I want the city to be worse?. But the truth and the facts are that it is worse than Cincinnati. Cleveland is actually denser than Cincinnati. Cincinnati takes up the same land area as Cleveland. Even if you factor in all the hills in Cincinnati, Cleveland is still denser. Everyone that Ive heard outside of this forum also said that Cleveland is worse. Cincinnati is bad but Cleveland is worse.

[hillside]

watertiger,

nonsense? bc i pointed out that stats aren't accurate and you agreed? cincy had 68 homicides and like four already...but anyways we will agree to disagree...cleveland is denser in pop. but not in city design. cincy is..








































now is that cleveland?

oh and morgan quitno is an approximation at best. cities dont report crime the same, some even have been caught cheating (cinci, phila, ny, la, chi, detroit, atlanta) and the rankings themselves are questionable logically.

since u like goin by the book on stats, here.

United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

there was never a direct comparison in my last post. i said thats how i view the cities from a murder perspective. of course cle is more like stl but is it st louis? not in my opinion. you seem to misinterpret me often. and why camden or flint? major cities only. again, doesn't make sense logically.

look, i dont want cinci to be worse, or however depressing it is now. but i do know i grew up in that city, seen and survived ALOT of violence, have visited family in cleveland, know many ppl from there and i just dont get the impression that the mindstate of your city is as far gone as some of the ppl in mine. its sad how little ppl give a f and will kill you if you ask them for a quarter, or walk a certain way, or wear the new jordans. ppl from the lake often ask me, whats wrong with that city? every time i go down there for a good time a fight breaks out, if not gunshots first...its riot city a riot could break any day with any race or group takin to the streets to fight the city, shoot at cops and burn city hall down like its 1884...or 2001..but im sure we still disagree.

[hillside]

i meant wesohood not watertiger

[WeSoHood]

As my much as you ignore my valid points - you still argue on some bullsh... You argue how the people are so oppressed and how all these violent acts occur. But obviously, these "not accurate" statistics prove otherwise. And cute nickname with "Riot City" as other cities (Cleveland included) haven't had major riots.

BTW - I told you to compare those cities - because most of them are impoverished like Cleveland and have similar crime statistics. Sorry, 134 homicides vs 66 homicides for a city with only 70-80,000 more people is a drastic difference in violence. Neither city is crime free, but Cleveland has a higher poverty rate and more crime. Your opinions based on you impression on your own life compared to your cousins and/or 'peoples opinions you met' don't substantiate any kind of argument.

[hillside]

for the last time...68

tells me ppl aint listenin

and our pop. as listed in 06 was 308,000 to cleveland's 450,000

now its 332,000 as recognized by the feds. we had a down yr. you guys had one last yr when we were up. and again, i DO NOT believe that those lists are completely accurate. just a glimpse into who's struggling the most. and its not a cute nickname its the sad truth. a riot is essentially a 10-yr recession considering the billions of economic impact lost since 01.

here's a stat-how do you explain cinci with the higher murder/poverty rates in 06 than cleveland. anomaly? talk about ignoring ish...

your validity is only as good as your data
wrong about cinci's homicides in 07
wrong about cinci's pop. in 06/07
wrong for thinking morgan quitno has it 100%
wrong for comparing cleveland to much smaller cities like camden. its a few hoods with no tax base and no attractions worth risking it for alot of ppl

whats your hood?

[hillside]

can somebody get some pics up of cleveland? i wanna see what all the fuss is about...oh and on morgan quitno as far as major cities go that puts cle at 5 and nati at 7. effectively saying they are very similar in their crime(exclude murder) levels. my point is ya'll, that the two cities constantly appear back-to-back in these different lists..sayin nati is heads n shoulders above cle is a bit much

[Cle440]

I hate to keep on with this but I will anyways. First of all you said "The Lake" as if everybody in Cleveland lives with the view of the lake or something like that. I have been to many cities and Cleveland is among the worst if not the worst. I hate to repeat it because its not positive but Cleveland is worse than Cincinnati and most other cities. In my opinion Cleveland is the 3rd worst major city, after Detroit, and St. Louis. I know people from Cincinnati and have family down there and all of them think that Cleveland is worse and even make jokes about how bad the city is. The facts are Cleveland has a higher crime rate, has much larger bad areas, and has more poverty.

Most of Cincinnati is built more dense than Cleveland but still Cleveland is denser. Also at one time Cleveland had around 1 million people in 55 sq. miles, thats way more dense than Cincinnati has ever been. What do you want pictures of? The hood? I think you would change your mind in one minute if you have ever been to the Eastside of Cleveland. Go to 79th St, 93rd St, 105th St. it looks real bad over there. I was in one area of the Eastside and all of the buildings either had bars on them or were boarded up and falling down. There were liquor stores with 30 ppl in front of them, gunshots in the side of cars and houses, its not pretty at all.

[hillside]

the lake is what i choose to call cleveland sometimes, so there's that...and i grew up in areas with 100 ppl on the corner, etc. you ever been to lincoln heights in cincy? reading and forest ave? vine and 14th on a hot august day....300 ppl looming on downtown in a kroger parking lot. the definition of open air drug markets. the same way you hear ppl say cleveland is worse, i hear cincinnati....you cant discount my opinion on that base...and i think its alot closer than u think...cinci is old and ghetto i thought the word was out i dont see how its so hard to believe i honestly dont...uptown cinci 5th poorest area in the nation as said by the feds...the city was considering calling in fema for downtown, and they legally could have bc of the murder rate down there. and the poverty situation is very similar in fact

Cleveland still poor, but not poorest big city in U.S. - Cleveland Metro News – The Latest Breaking News, Photos and Stories from The Plain Dealer

"Although Cincinnati ranked one spot ahead of Cleveland, when accounting for the margin of error, the estimates for the two cities were not significantly different."