2007 Cleveland Homicides (Columbus, Cincinnati: low crime, colleges, to live)

[hillside]

no competition, i long said it was a draw...but ppl keep gettin on sayin its a done deal, no way cinci is on that level and i grew up in that city. war on the eastside? we got that too. how bout war on downtown? war on the westside? in between? inner and outer ring? assassinations in front of city hall while the mayor is speaking. they bulletproofed chambers. guys in vans robbing the bengals who arent getting arrested for the christmas presents they're passing out to poor children. our vice mayor's wife held for ransom. councilmen forced at gunpoint to get in their cars and withdraw from the atm. shootings at funerals. how can you discount cinti is all im sayin.

[pwright1]

Pittsburgh 312,000 - 57 homicides
Seattle 584,000 - 27 homicides

[hillside]

pitt is an old city with deep probs but it might be the crown jewel of the rust belt. its better than newark, philly, bmore, buffalo, cle, detroit, cinti, and stl

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by hillside

no competition, i long said it was a draw...but ppl keep gettin on sayin its a done deal, no way cinci is on that level and i grew up in that city. war on the eastside? we got that too. how bout war on downtown? war on the westside? in between? inner and outer ring? assassinations in front of city hall while the mayor is speaking. they bulletproofed chambers. guys in vans robbing the bengals who arent getting arrested for the christmas presents they're passing out to poor children. our vice mayor's wife held for ransom. councilmen forced at gunpoint to get in their cars and withdraw from the atm. shootings at funerals. how can you discount cinti is all im sayin.

I understand what youre saying. Cincy had a lot of bad things happen, especially with the riots in 2001, that was national news. All your trying to say is Cincy is a rough city and its not getting recognized enough for it, I understand that. Both the cities arent getting the attention they deserve as bad as they are. Cincy and Cleveland both had a lot of bad things happen, both the crime rates arent too far apart either, and poverty is bad in both the cities. They both have bad inner ring and crime on both sides of town.

[hillside]

thanks 440....now that we got that out the way, here's the real ? what should ohio do to stop being so high crime low employment

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by hillside

no competition, i long said it was a draw...but ppl keep gettin on sayin its a done deal, no way cinci is on that level and i grew up in that city. war on the eastside? we got that too. how bout war on downtown? war on the westside? in between? inner and outer ring? assassinations in front of city hall while the mayor is speaking. they bulletproofed chambers. guys in vans robbing the bengals who arent getting arrested for the christmas presents they're passing out to poor children. our vice mayor's wife held for ransom. councilmen forced at gunpoint to get in their cars and withdraw from the atm. shootings at funerals. how can you discount cinti is all im sayin.

I'm pretty sure Cleveland had more crime downtown - including a few murders last year. There is one nice area on the west side, the rest is pretty spotty. There are bad communities in Cleveland, inner ring suburbs, and even outer ring. Although Cleveland has a lot of nice suburbs. Browns, Indians, etc have been robbed before... where are you going with that?

Your arguments do nothing for you. Cleveland doubling Cinci in murders is enough evidence alone that Cleveland has more violence.

[CTownNative]

I thought it would be interesting to find the total amount of crime that took place in Cleveland,Cincy,and Columbus from 1999-2006,plus for murders Im also including the 2007 stats,but they won't be included in the total.Heres what I found using city-datas crime stats.

Cleveland- 2000 population-478,403 2006 population-444,313
Murders 1999-2007-there was 817,an average of 91 a year.Also note city-datas stats say 75 homicides in 2006,but I remember hearing it was 119.
Rapes 1992-2006-there was 4,453 reported,thats an average of 557.
Robberies 1999-2006-there was 27,170 reported,thats an average of 3,396.
Buglaries 1999-2006-there was 65,130 reported,thats an average of 8,141.
Thefts 1999-2006-there was 103,105 reported,thats an average of 12,888.
Auto Thefts 1999-2006-there was 49,167 reported,thats an average of 6,146.
Arson 1999-2006-there was 3,833 reported,thats an average of 479.
Total crimes 1999-2006-there was 271,491 reported,thats an average of 33,936 every year from 1999-2006.

[CTownNative]

Heres the stats for Cincy. 2000 population-331,285 2006 population-332,252

Murders 1999-2007-there was 534 reported,thats an average of 59.
Rapes 1999-2006-there was 2,466 reported,thats an average of 308.
Robberies 1999-2006-there was 16,299 reported,thats an average of 2,037.
Assaults 1999-2006-there was 8,781 reported,thats an average of 1,098.
Buglaries 1999-2006-there was 44,923 reported,thats an average of 5,615.
Thefts 1999-2006-there was 110,539 reported,thats an average of 13,817.
Auto Thefts 1999-2006-there was 22,854 reported,thats an average of 2,857.
Arson 1999-2006-there was 2,754 reported,thats an average of 344.
Total Crimes 1999-2006-there was 209,082 reported,thats an average of 26,135 every year from 1999-2006.

[CTownNative]

Now here is the Columbus stats. 2000 population-711,470 2006 population-733,203

Murders 1999-2007-there was 782 reported,thats an average of 87.
Rapes 1999-2006-there was 4,784 reported,thats an average of 598.
Robberies 1999-2006-there was 27,099 reported,thats an average of 3,387.
Assaults 1999-2006-there was 16,261 reported,thats an average of 2,033.
Buglaries 1999-2006-there was 118,261 reported,thats an average of 14,783.
Thefts 1999-2006-there was 275,632 reported,thats an average of 34,454.
Auto Thefts 1999-2006-there was 60,166 reported,thats an average of 7,521.
Arson 1999-2006-there was 3,665 reported not including 2003 because there was no stats,thats an average of 524.
Total Crimes 1999-2006-there was 506,571 reported,thats an average of 63,321 crimes reported every year from 1999-2006.

[italianbluesboy]

I am planning a visit to Cleveland this year, and wanted to see the factories and steel mill. But after reading this long, distressing thread I feel like I will probably get killed just driving into what you guys call the "war zone". That's how this thread makes me feel: like just setting foot into Cleveland will get me killed. The way people describe Detroit makes me feel the same way. But I never felt that threatened in Pittsburgh or Columbus.