2007 Cleveland Homicides (Columbus, Cincinnati, Lakewood: loft, lenders, quality of life)

[hillside]

wesohood

i called it a draw. and have you been downtown cincinnati?? looks to me cleveland has a third more ppl. and a third more crime on average. slightly higher than cincy but its negligible to me bc they are so SIMILAR. not worse. not better. SIMILAR.

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by hillside

wesohood

i called it a draw. and have you been downtown cincinnati?? looks to me cleveland has a third more ppl. and a third more crime on average. slightly higher than cincy but its negligible to me bc they are so SIMILAR. not worse. not better. SIMILAR.

I'm sorry. As a whole, they are similar.. but Cleveland is worse. Poorer and more crime. Has Cinci ever been more dangerous than Cleveland?

In 2005 for instance. Cleveland had about double the robberies, double the assaults, more property crime/auto thefts and a substantial amount more burglaries. Yes, Cincinnati.. but don't compare it to Cleveland. Similar? Yes. Is Cleveland poorer and more dangerous every year? Pretty much.

If you can find me evidence that Cinci has more crime annually per capita.. let me know. Your arguments are based on your own bias. You grew up there, great! Thanks for the stories... I could easily tell you just as many.

[CTownNative]

Originally Posted by italianbluesboy

I am planning a visit to Cleveland this year, and wanted to see the factories and steel mill. But after reading this long, distressing thread I feel like I will probably get killed just driving into what you guys call the "war zone". That's how this thread makes me feel: like just setting foot into Cleveland will get me killed. The way people describe Detroit makes me feel the same way. But I never felt that threatened in Pittsburgh or Columbus.

No,Im from Cleveland and I can tell you its not a warzone.There is more crime in Cleveland than in most cities,but if your driving around just looking at the sights you probably won't have any trouble.I've been in alot of Cleveland's bad areas and never felt threatened.The area Im from in Cleveland around E. 185th street is looked down upon now by many people,people I know from around there say theres more crime and poverty than when I use to live there.But when I've been back there I never felt like I was going to get robbed or killed.Does violence happen in Cleveland,Yes.But theres violence in every city,and alot of it involves people who know each other.If your just visiting Cleveland to see the factories,and sights you will probably be fine.

[BelieveInCleve]

This is just dumb comparing the two cities, they are both bad. Cleveland has a higher crime rate but Cincinnati is pretty close though. Poverty is widespread in both cities.

Cleveland is not like a warzone but there are very bad areas of the city. Most of the crime has to do with drugs, gangs, and territory so you shouldnt be that worried about it. If you come to Cleveland just stay smart and dont look for trouble and nothing bad will happen to you. Stay on the main roads and dont go down many side streets if your not familiar with the area. There have been a lot of out of town people get robbed in Cleveland, but theres a lot more people who come to Cleveland and nothing happens to them. Just realize that Cleveland is one of top 10 most dangerous cities so dont take that lightly, but most likely noone will harm you. Cleveland is similar to Detroit but Clevelands half the size and Detroit is more dangerous. Cincinnati is not much better, but just stay smart and you will be fine.

[hillside]

440 seems to be the voice of reason on here...

[CTownNative]

I myself could care less about which city,Cleveland or Cincy,is more dangerous.Here is one fact,that there is too much crime in most Ohio cities.Outside of the cities most places are safe,with low crime and poverty.Ohio's cities have much to offer,but people look down on them when they see the bad crime rates,the poverty rates,and than the whole state gets a negative reputation.Hopefully things will get better for the state economically,and the cities can start to improve.Im hearing about tons of projects planned for Cleveland and Cincy,and Columbus is already the booming place in Ohio right now.But it really pains me being someone from the Cleveland area to see that the population is falling at such a fast rate in the Cleveland metro area,especially in Cuyahoga County.The one positive is that most of the surrounding counties around Cuyahoga County are gaining population.

[hillside]

2 cities top 4 poorest. youngstown poorest city of its class. 4 cities most dangerous of any pop. class. putrid city schools. hard to afford colleges. economy? nuff said. rampant corruption. our only bright spot is less cosmopolitan than dayton. its ohio. most ppl on here grew up here, has it gotten better? there's a post-war, post-bush recession comin...who's on the front lines gettin hit first and hardest? michigan and ohio.

[hillside]

sorry but i cant see a major, meaningful turnaround for at least 8 yrs. that means better schools and more non-white collar jobs

[CTownNative]

I agree with you hillside,I can't see a major turnaround for Ohios economy for awhile.I think it will take 10-15 years.The forclosure rate in Ohio is among the highest in the nation.And thats not good considering the housing market of the whole United States isn't doing very well.When the whole country is struggling economically,states like Ohio and Michigan are effected even worse.And it really hurts when the major population centers are struggling with crime and poverty,and bad schools.Im from Ohio,not living there right now,but I love the state.I want to move back there.But I can't lie,there is definetly some problems in Ohio right now.

[gtsurfer05]

I would venture to say that the Political parties in Ohio have not made the greatest decisions ever, especially with many issues that other states have passed yet Ohio continues to lag behind. I'm not a big fan of Ohio, and would rather live elsewhere, but its not the worst either. I'd have to say that my biggest complaints are the lack of college funding, cold weather, dirty lake, stupid politicians, etc... o ya and also that nut group from Cincy that had that ban on strip clubs stuff. While me being i'd say fairly religious and pretty conservative, I can say without a doubt that those Bible thumpers are a bunch of nut cases. I really think strip clubs are worthless, and would not want one in my city, but I really could give a hoot that some guy wants to see some skin. We've got enough problems in this state to deal with, these people are bringing a bad rep. to Ohio.