East vs. West Side (Cleveland, Lakewood: credit, home, employment)

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by costello_musicman

To go along with the "old money" gotta remember that Cleveland was founded from the Cuyahoga River Eastward. The original "Connecticut Western Reserve" ended at the Cuyahoga River. At one point, that was the border of the indian lands to the USA!

Ohio City was its own city at one point as well. On top of it all, probably didn't hurt any that a overwhelmingly majority of the country lived east of the city.

Euclid Ave was Millionaires' Row, etc.

Lastly, different ethnic groups settled on each side. To the best of my knowledge:

East: Italian, Black, Polish, Jewish, Hungarian, Slovienian, Asian, Czech, (many Irish in Collinwood too)
West: Irish, German, Ukrainian, Slovak, Russian, Romanian

Add Puerto Rican, Arabic, Black as well.

I don't know what fantasy Cleveland you are living in but the west side is pretty diverse. Lakewood, Berea, Lorain, Elyriia, Oberlin, etc are all very diverse. Not to mention the westside city Proper.

I'd say the west side areas like Ohio City and Tremont are the most diverse in the county.

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by Peregrine

I also agree that Tremont is not considered downtown by most.
Drive across the Valley View bridge and look North. What do you see?
The view means nothing.
W14th is over there so we westsiders get to clam Tremont.

Well Tremont is a few minutes from me and I know many people from there, rest assured they consider themselves Westsiders. The Puerto Rican, Black, White, and Arabic mix is distinctively westside.

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by 5Lakes

I count Ohio City as a west side neighborhood. Downtown ends at the Cuyahoga in my book

I would agree. I would define "Downtown" as roughly everything between the Innerbelt and the Cuyahoga River. I lived in Ohio City and Tremont growing up, and we certainly never thought of ourselves as living "downtown". We considered ourselves living on the "Near West Side".

[Peregrine]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

I don't know what fantasy Cleveland you are living in but the west side is pretty diverse. Lakewood, Berea, Lorain, Elyriia, Oberlin, etc are all very diverse.

Must be the same Fantasy Cleveland you live in.
Lakewood? Diverse?
Yea...ok



Berea? yea...ok

Races in Berea:

• White Non-Hispanic (90.5%)
• Black (5.1%)
• Two or more races (1.6%)
• Hispanic (1.6%)
• American Indian (0.7%)
• Other race (0.6%)

Let's not get carried away that the western suburbs are some kind of racial melting pot. Sadly most of them are not.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by Peregrine

Must be the same Fantasy Cleveland you live in.
Lakewood? Diverse?
Yea...ok



Berea? yea...ok

Races in Berea:

• White Non-Hispanic (90.5%)
• Black (5.1%)
• Two or more races (1.6%)
• Hispanic (1.6%)
• American Indian (0.7%)
• Other race (0.6%)

Let's not get carried away that the western suburbs are some kind of racial melting pot. Sadly most of them are not.

Yeah, haven't you heard blacks are worth 10 points in a community's DiversiScore(TM), while Arabs are worth 4 and Serbs and Albanians 2? Seriously, don't get carried away.

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by Peregrine

Must be the same Fantasy Cleveland you live in.
Lakewood? Diverse?
Yea...ok



Berea? yea...ok

Races in Berea:

• White Non-Hispanic (90.5%)
• Black (5.1%)
• Two or more races (1.6%)
• Hispanic (1.6%)
• American Indian (0.7%)
• Other race (0.6%)

Let's not get carried away that the western suburbs are some kind of racial melting pot. Sadly most of them are not.

Lakewood's not diverse? Are you serious? Or are you just a troll....? Dismiss Berea- I've heard it was more diverse. That doesn't allow you to spew bullcrap to people who might not know the area of Lakewood.

Lakewood has a considerable arabic population (as does the whole west side if you've lived there). It's high school has over 35+ languages spoken in it. Diversity isn't white and black. The influence of immigrants from the Middle East and Europe is substantial, and to dismiss it with ignorance is simply unacceptable for a Cleveland resident. Lakewood might the MOST diverse area of Cleveland considering the immigrants and different ethnicity. Your post almost makes me outraged at the ignorance of east siders.

[costello_musicman]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

Add Puerto Rican, Arabic, Black as well.

I don't know what fantasy Cleveland you are living in but the west side is pretty diverse. Lakewood, Berea, Lorain, Elyriia, Oberlin, etc are all very diverse. Not to mention the westside city Proper.

I'd say the west side areas like Ohio City and Tremont are the most diverse in the county.

Oh yes, I forget abut Puerto Rican...strong on the westside.

[costello_musicman]

Originally Posted by Peregrine

Must be the same Fantasy Cleveland you live in.
Lakewood? Diverse?
Yea...ok



Berea? yea...ok

Races in Berea:

• White Non-Hispanic (90.5%)
• Black (5.1%)
• Two or more races (1.6%)
• Hispanic (1.6%)
• American Indian (0.7%)
• Other race (0.6%)

Let's not get carried away that the western suburbs are some kind of racial melting pot. Sadly most of them are not.

I would say Lakewood is very diverse....I've read in the high school alone, 20+ langauges are spoken as a first language.

Albian, Serbian, Romanian, Arab are recent immigrants. I wanna say it has the highest immigrant percentage in NEO, but I can't find any stats to support that. I've heard as high as 12% are foreign born in Lakewood.

Maybe we don't agree on what "diverse" means. IMO just because Albanian, Arab and other backgrounds...fall under "white" according to the census bereau ...doesn't mean the place is not diverse.

[Cleveland_Collector]

Originally Posted by Peregrine

I also agree that Tremont is not considered downtown by most.
Drive across the Valley View bridge and look North. What do you see?
The view means nothing.
W14th is over there so we westsiders get to clam Tremont.

C'mon, dude....the view we're talking about is physically 1000 ft. directly north of Tremont. It's 5+ miles NW of the VV bridge. In my context, it means everything. The neighborhoods of Ohio City and Tremont that West Siders want to consider as being uniquely "West Side" are simply not. They have way too much Downtown influence to be of their own making. From the perspective of a person who lives on the south side, it's all one general area.

[costello_musicman]

^^Do you consider Asiatown eastside or Downtown?