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10-22-2009, 10:36 PM
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Blaming the casino is like blaming the cocaine dealer. If he gets popped does the addict sober up? No.
I did find this:
"In Iowa, the legalization of casinos more than tripled the addiction dilemma. A study released in July, 1995, found that 5.4% of the state's adults (roughly 110, 000 residents) are lifetime pathological or problem gamblers. Before riverboats came to the state, 1.7% of Iowans fell into this category."
But again... did Iowa have charity hold 'em? Did Iowa have a casino just on the other side of the river like Cincy does (or a 30 minute drive away like Toledo does)? Prolly not.
I don't want it to seem like I am sold on Issue 3. But none of the issues mentioned here is why. My issue is the bars and restaraunts and Tower City... how much business are they going to lose when people go to the casino after an afternoon ball game, instead of out to dinner or drinks? or go to the casino for dinner and drinks?
Still not sure how I will vote.
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10-23-2009, 01:00 AM
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10-23-2009, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Peregrine
Blaming the casino is like blaming the cocaine dealer. If he gets popped does the addict sober up? No.
I did find this:
"In Iowa, the legalization of casinos more than tripled the addiction dilemma. A study released in July, 1995, found that 5.4% of the state's adults (roughly 110, 000 residents) are lifetime pathological or problem gamblers. Before riverboats came to the state, 1.7% of Iowans fell into this category."
But again... did Iowa have charity hold 'em? Did Iowa have a casino just on the other side of the river like Cincy does (or a 30 minute drive away like Toledo does)? Prolly not.
I don't want it to seem like I am sold on Issue 3. But none of the issues mentioned here is why. My issue is the bars and restaraunts and Tower City... how much business are they going to lose when people go to the casino after an afternoon ball game, instead of out to dinner or drinks? or go to the casino for dinner and drinks?
Still not sure how I will vote.
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I would think the bars and restaurants will get improved business with people coming from surrounding areas. they would need places to eat and drink. I am under the impression that these casinos would be strictly casinos. It wouldn't be a casino/hotel/restaurant/country club.
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10-23-2009, 03:16 PM
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Gilbert said in Scene magazine last week it WILL have restaraunts and he wants to get local restaurants in there. It will NOT have a hotel so that part is good for downtown business.
Enhanced Interrogation: Dan Gilbert | News Features | Cleveland Scene |
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10-27-2009, 09:22 PM
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I'm not sure how many of the gambling dollars would actually stay here. Most of the people I know who gamble like to visit all the casino's - NY, Erie, Pittsburgh, Washington, WV, Detroit etc just for some variety. I think Clevelanders would be more likely to go to the flats but it's not going to magically keep all the gambling dollars in-state.
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10-28-2009, 01:41 PM
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I'm not sure how many of the gambling dollars would actually stay here. Most of the people I know who gamble like to visit all the casino's - NY, Erie, Pittsburgh, Washington, WV, Detroit etc just for some variety. I think Clevelanders would be more likely to go to the flats but it's not going to magically keep all the gambling dollars in-state.
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I, for one, if it is a nice enough casino, well never go back to Mountaineer or Detroit/Windsor again JUST to gamble. |
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10-28-2009, 04:25 PM
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Me neither. Also, let's not forget that we will get a good amount of visitor traffic too. Believe it or not, lots of people still come to Cleveland from out of state. Not only does this issue attempt to keep some local dollars in, it helps attract some non-local bucks. Also, it's not just a casino like those crappy riverboats in Hammond, IN (which is exactly what we would get if we opened it up to a bid). It's an entire, land-based, brick and mortar complex which will also provide new, medium sized venues for shows (something we desparately need), retail shopping, and night life far and away from just gambling. And, let's face it, people like to gamble. You can't get an extra $2/yr out of them in taxes yet they'll think nothing of throwing $200 on a craps table.
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10-28-2009, 10:41 PM
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What really makes me ill is the opponinets to Issue 3. New commercail claiming jobs won't go to Ohioans, prositution and crime will skyrocket.... yet the people making these commercials are companies and individuals that want to open their own casino. Showing a guy in a wife beater with a bottle in his hand and looks like he's about to hit his wife. COME ON. Totally trying to scare people so they can open a casino instead. Riduculous.
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10-29-2009, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Peregrine
What really makes me ill is the opponinets to Issue 3. New commercail claiming jobs won't go to Ohioans, prositution and crime will skyrocket.... yet the people making these commercials are companies and individuals that want to open their own casino. Showing a guy in a wife beater with a bottle in his hand and looks like he's about to hit his wife. COME ON. Totally trying to scare people so they can open a casino instead. Riduculous.
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This is a great point. There was a story in today's PD that talked about another casino owner who wanted to get a piece of the pie and threatened that if he wasn't included in the proposal that he would hire a consultant and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to torpedo the plan with negative advertising. He wasn't included and needless to say that a lot of the anti-casino ads have been funded by him. |
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10-29-2009, 08:27 PM
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Sorry you are way off on that one... Cleveland is much more dangerous than Vegas. Granted if you go NORTH of the strip about a mile, it can be ghetto like, but again not nearly as dangerous as Vegas. You have to take the ratings based on population. I believe Cleveland has 400k people and approx 125 murders per yr. Vegas has 2million so it would have to have 625 murders...
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Greater Las Vegas has 2 million people, while Greater Cleveland has anywhere from 2 to 3 million people, depending on the source and definition one is using. Las Vegas proper has 560,000 people and Cleveland proper has 430,000. Have to compare apples to apples. |
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