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Old 01-04-2011, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Wilmington, NC
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I agree that the government is corrupt and the city caters to the wealthy. Each time people move out of the city to get away from the greed of city government, the city annexes the area so it can get its piece of the tax pie. The city throws away money and then raises taxes to pay for their mistakes. They recently combined some water/sewer/trash services with the county saying it would save us money because they were duplicating services. It's been a couple of years now and they still haven't straightened the billing out yet. Could you keep your job if you couldn't figure it out in that time? I'd be willing to bet if an auditor came in, they'd find the citizens are being ripped off. They built a huge new building for this new utility authority. I guess the other buildings used previously by the city and one used by the county weren't good enough. So then after these "money saving measures", they had to raise the rates we pay for the services. They save money and we pay more! It's crazy!!! What we need is a decent, fair, ethical, moral government. But we don't have that! So let's get a good attorney to represent the citizens in a class action lawsuit against the city and all its dealings, especially the public utility authority! Wilmington is a lovely place to live if you don't mind paying too much in taxes, ever increasing utility rates, traffic and crime! Oh, and don't forget that Old Boy mentality!
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Old 01-04-2011, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Lower middle class is generally defined as those households earning from $50k to $100k a year.
Where did you get this from? I've never heard of a household at $100K considered "lower middle class"?! Are you basing this on an official publication, or just your own estimation? Did you move here from some much-higher-cost-of-living place such as NY or NJ? Even the charts you provide show only ~15% making over $100K for the state of NC--so 85% are "lower middle class" or less??
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Old 01-04-2011, 10:09 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Apparently I'm "lower middle class" but I'm a one person household.
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Old 01-04-2011, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Greenville, NC
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Where did you get this from? I've never heard of a household at $100K considered "lower middle class"?! Are you basing this on an official publication, or just your own estimation? Did you move here from some much-higher-cost-of-living place such as NY or NJ? Even the charts you provide show only ~15% making over $100K for the state of NC--so 85% are "lower middle class" or less??
There is no set definitions for what constitutes lower and upper middle class. I cobbled this definition together from different Wikipedia articles.

You may never have heard of a household making $100k a year being LMC but then you've probably never lived where most of the population of the US lives. You've probably never seen a county where the average income is over $100k a year and you can't afford to buy a house in that county. It's not unusual.

You also need to re-read what I wrote. There are overlapping incomes between upper and lower for the reason I explained.

If anyone feels the need to call themselves upper middle class because it makes them feel superior to the lower classes then by all means, go ahead.
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Old 01-04-2011, 01:48 PM
 
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Where did you get this from? I've never heard of a household at $100K considered "lower middle class"?!
i don't agree with his numbers exactly, and i certainly don't agree that average incomes "where the population lives" is relevant to the discussion, but i do understand what he's saying. say you have a clerical worker with an associates degree who makes $27k a year. her husband is a carpenter whose income fluctuates. maybe in one recessionary year he makes $20k a year, but in a boom year he could potentially make $80k, or if he was very good at his job.

to me that's an example of how "lower middle class" or "blue collar" or "working class" household income could range from $50k to $100k a year.

then say you had two married young doctors, a neurosurgical resident and a psychiactric resident. they both make about $45k per year, giving them $90k household income. i think most people would still call them upper middle, or higher, even if they earned less in a particular year than the carpenter and his wife.
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Old 01-04-2011, 02:04 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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^Well said. This is slightly off topic but social classes (in my opinion) are probably shaped less by income level and more on education and personality characteristics. A doctor (obviously well educated) would be hard pressed to meet the criteria of lower middle class even if he/she were unemployed. Likewise the mobile home resident living just outside the pearly gates in Brunswick County (I couldn't help myself, lol) who recently hit the million dollar lotto probably won't qualify for upper middle class status unless he/she buys themselves a quality education. Now back on topic,

Wilmington is the worst city ever...................
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Old 01-04-2011, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Greenville, NC
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but i do understand what he's saying. say you have a clerical worker with an associates degree who makes $27k a year. her husband is a carpenter whose income fluctuates. maybe in one recessionary year he makes $20k a year, but in a boom year he could potentially make $80k, or if he was very good at his job.

to me that's an example of how "lower middle class" or "blue collar" or "working class" household income could range from $50k to $100k a year.

then say you had two married young doctors, a neurosurgical resident and a psychiactric resident. they both make about $45k per year, giving them $90k household income. i think most people would still call them upper middle, or higher, even if they earned less in a particular year than the carpenter and his wife.
Exactly.

The problem is most people that are under the "lower middle class" numbers get very upset when faced with a statistical fact. That they are not in the middle class. I'm not in the middle class. Big deal. My wife drives a new car. I drive a 15 year old truck. We OWN our home and it's nice but not huge. We have health insurance. We have a great family that lives close by for the most part. We aren't late on ANY bills and have retirement accounts and life insurance. We vacation once a year in Nags Head. Our freezer and pantry are stocked up. What else is there to want?

Sometimes it's not how much money you make but what you do with the money that you do make.
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Old 01-30-2011, 01:47 PM
 
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I have noticed a lot of people on this forum are interested in moving to Wilmington but I don't think everyone understands the "dangers and risks" of moving there.

Wilmington has and will always be a big retiree destination. All of the rich retirees from up North move down to Wilmington to build million dollar homes in upscale neighborhoods like Landfall. The city itself pretty much caters to the retiree population.

Wilmington has a large disparity between the rich and poor. You are either filthy rich or you are on welfare living in section eight housing. There really isn't much of a middle class population in Wilmington. Throughout the state of NC, Wilmington has the highest percentage of people living in section eight housing.

The cost of living in Wilmington is high and it is actually higher than the Raleigh area. Even though the cost of living is rather high, the average wages in the area are low, I mean LOW unless you are working in a professional field like medicine, law, or you have your own business.

Don't expect to move to Wilmington without a job lined up and find work ASAP. If you are lucky, and I will reiterate lucky, you will most likely find a job that pays $8/hr and you will fight with with your co-workers to get a 40 hr work week. You can forget about any type of benefits.

Yes, are a few and let me reiterate that again, a FEW, high paying jobs in the Wilmington area, but unless you have "connections" and you have 25 yrs of experience and a Masters or PhD, you won't be able to land one of those high paying jobs.

Although there are some nice sections of Wilmington, the city itself is not paradise. There are some run-down ugly looking sections of the city and the crime rate is high too.

Wilmington is also a "backwards" city. There are some educated folks in the area, especially around UNCW, but for the most part a lot of people are not really that educated and do not like outsiders.

So to sum up what I just said, don't move to Wilmington unless you have a decent paying job lined up!!!! If you don't, you will regret it. Let me say that again since a lot of you think Wilmington has so many jobs waiting to be filled. DO NOT MOVE TO WILMINGTON UNLESS YOU HAVE A DECENT PAYING JOB LINED UP!!
I highly concur after being here 30 years.
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Old 01-30-2011, 01:50 PM
 
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I went to UNCW myself. The job market has never been great in Wilmington, but it is great for the medical field. I have been here on and of for 30 years. You can get a job at Corning if you are lucky.
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Old 01-30-2011, 02:09 PM
 
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Just want to throw my hat into the ring, as one of the middle class citizens of Wilmington who apparently doesn't exist. Nevertheless, here I am. Anyone looking to move to a new area should certainly do their homework, definitely have a job lined up and shouldn't make any decision based on some romanticized version of the truth. However, in my observation Wilmington has a greater diversity in age, culture and economic status than many other southern cities.
I've never heard of a retirement community centered around a university. Think about it for a minute...how do you even rationalize that. Obviously, there are a good deal of young people in the area. I have two young children. Between school, sports and recreational activities, there sure seem to be A LOT of families here.
Wilmington is a great city which, like any other city has it's pros and cons. Yes, the cost of living here is higher than other parts of the state, yet people are still coming (and staying) here. That, to me, should be evidence enough that there is something here people like.
Personally, my mother worked for Cooperative Bank on Front Street, and she processed many mortgage applications for retirees. There are many retirees living in Wilmington. Many of them are moving mostly from New York and New Jersey. There are young people here too. I did attend UNCW which I loved.
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