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Old 09-03-2011, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Morehead City, NC
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Hatteras Crushed by Irene and Sea Turtle Regulations
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Old 09-03-2011, 04:26 PM
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Evolution is not a theory. It is playing out right before your eyes. It is a shame, but those that don't or can't adapt to a changing environment slowly fade away.
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Old 09-03-2011, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Winston-Salem
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Evolution is not a theory. It is playing out right before your eyes. It is a shame, but those that don't or can't adapt to a changing environment slowly fade away.
Glad those turtles have a long history here than man. At least after we go. the turtles with only have to worry about those who goes by natures rules.
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Old 09-03-2011, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Morehead City, NC
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Evolution is not a theory. It is playing out right before your eyes.
Well, it's not really evolution-But for the sake of discussion..............
The only thing that has evolved is mans thought and attitude towards self-A self imposed demotion giving greater priority to lesser creatures.
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Old 09-04-2011, 04:21 AM
 
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i just finished an interesting "book on tape." one of my first books on tape in years.

the author argues many examples of different societies that have collapsed due to that society's inability to manage its own resources. i won't bore you with it, but it uses many examples of smaller and isolated primitive societies throughout world history, why they collapsed, and compares them to today's societies.

one thing it did was convince me that human beings kill everything around us, if left to our own devices.
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Old 09-04-2011, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Morehead City, NC
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The endangered species act gives critters such as sea turtles protection & rights that we as people don't even have. It's illegal to "annoy" a turtle!

Section 9 of the Endangered Species Act (“ESA”) prohibits the “taking” of any endangered or threatened species. 16 U.S.C. § 1538(a). The ESA defines the term “take” to include “harass, harm, pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, kill, trap, capture, or collect, or to attempt to engage in any such conduct.” 16 U.S.C. § 1532(19). The term “harm” includes an act which “kills or injures” an endangered or threatened animal. 50 C.F.R. § 17.3.
The term “harass” includes an “intentional or negligent act or omission which creates the likelihood of injury [to an endangered or threatened animal] by annoying it to such extent as to significantly disrupt normal behavioral patterns which include, but are not limited to, breeding, feeding, or sheltering.” 50
C.F.R. § 17.3.
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Old 09-04-2011, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Winston-Salem
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The endangered species act gives critters such as sea turtles protection & rights that we as people don't even have. It's illegal to "annoy" a turtle!

Section 9 of the Endangered Species Act (“ESA”) prohibits the “taking” of any endangered or threatened species. 16 U.S.C. § 1538(a). The ESA defines the term “take” to include “harass, harm, pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, kill, trap, capture, or collect, or to attempt to engage in any such conduct.” 16 U.S.C. § 1532(19). The term “harm” includes an act which “kills or injures” an endangered or threatened animal. 50 C.F.R. § 17.3.
The term “harass” includes an “intentional or negligent act or omission which creates the likelihood of injury [to an endangered or threatened animal] by annoying it to such extent as to significantly disrupt normal behavioral patterns which include, but are not limited to, breeding, feeding, or sheltering.” 50
C.F.R. § 17.3.
Yes it gives rights to turtles, eagles and many other creatures that if was not for man's destructive nature would have done just fine. Just look at the hundreds of animals that have become extinct in the last 500 years. All as a direct affect of mans activities.
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Old 09-04-2011, 06:08 AM
 
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Turtles are afforded the right that you can't "significantly disrupt normal behavioral patterns".
If man is such an evil killing machine by nature then trying to alter that would "significantly disrupt normal behavioral patterns"
Ya' think man can be afforded ESA protection?
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Old 09-04-2011, 06:47 AM
 
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Man is a pest. He will destroy anything he comes in contact with over time. What has he done to improve things?
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Old 09-04-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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Turtles are afforded the right that you can't "significantly disrupt normal behavioral patterns".
If man is such an evil killing machine by nature then trying to alter that would "significantly disrupt normal behavioral patterns"
Homo sapiens need our normal behavior patterns to be disrupted.

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Ya' think man can be afforded ESA protection?
Well, we aren't endangered yet, but if we keep killing off other species, we may be one day.
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