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Old 04-25-2012, 04:30 PM
 
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People who attend State actually like the city it's in and it has excellent job opportunities for the programs that are at the school. ECU has pretty much the same programs State has but the city doesn't have many of the job opportunities for those programs which makes the alumni move away and Greenville in reality isn't too attractive to make their alumni stay. (I'm not saying they don't stay bc there is a lot of ECU alumni here).
As a State alumnus I'll just say that people tolerate Raleigh; they don't exactly like it.

But to your other point State and ECU are actually quite different schools in terms of what's offered and why students attend. You're right that there's more opportunities in Raleigh for students to hang around afterward, and to that end RTP is intrinsically linked to NCSU in terms of job recruitment, sponsoring research, etc. In fact RTP is basically what changed State from a cow college into a science and engineering-focused school.

ECU shares a similar relationship to the hospital via the medical school; although it's not on the same level, it has had a similar positive impact on the school and Greenville. That's certainly one thing NCSU doesn't have.


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we need more Banking (Wilson even has a larger banking industry than Greenville does)
It wouldn't surprise me if ECB eventually moves to Greenville at some point. I know their recent expansion fell through but they're still eyeing expansion into markets west of 95 which makes staying in Engelhard even more silly than it already is. It'd be like Lowe's sticking around Wilkesboro.

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Old 04-25-2012, 04:48 PM
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Haha that's the correct word, Tolerate. I can't tolerate Greenville in its current condition, but I can def. tolerate Raleigh a lot more. And sweeeet, what program did you graduate under? I hope I can transfer there sometime in 2013, I'm currently enrolled at ECU and I don't really like it as much as i thought i would. I may not even like State but I like Raleigh, plus my future career (computer engineering) is in the area.

And that's true, ECU has really put its blessings on the hospital.
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Old 04-26-2012, 04:56 AM
 
Location: Greenville, NC
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One of the biggest obstacles I foresee is the mindset of a lot of locals who think we haven't tried anything new and we shouldn't ever. Since you have nixed a ballpark downtown idea to spark a revitalization, do you have any ideas of your own for the west end, or just downtown, or Greenville itself?
I didn't nix anything. I just told it like it is.

The argument is that a team in Greenville would be a regional draw. It ain't happening. It didn't happen for Kinston and it won't happen for Greenville. Your own words "Who wants to go to Kinston just for a game?" works for Greenville the same as it does for Kinston.

And there are economic development zones all over Eastern Carolina. Built in the hopes that "build it and they will come" works. It doesn't work. Those words aren't in any developers business plan.

If I had my way this is what I would do. I would find the most upscale bar that there is downtown, make them tow the straight and narrow line on the law, and close the rest. The remaining bar would have to be open for lunch and dinner with a midnight closing time.

The festival that surrounds the downtown bars must stop. It draws a lot of the wrong kinds of people. It scares businesses and patrons away. It is anarchy down there after dark with the cops closing streets off so the students can party till all hours of the morning. This must stop. Too many resources are being used by a few businesses just to appease those businesses. I don't know how this came to be but it must end.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Greenville, NC
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well - I'm not saying that people would come to Greenville to see a ball game...but I'd sure bet money that the chances have got to be higher that people would come to Greenville to see ball than go to Kinston. Kinston has nothing to offer.

For the record - this thread is slowly starting to be a hate on Greenville thread. Can we get back to development talk?

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Old 04-26-2012, 10:58 AM
 
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The festival that surrounds the downtown bars must stop. It draws a lot of the wrong kinds of people. It scares businesses and patrons away. It is anarchy down there after dark with the cops closing streets off so the students can party till all hours of the morning. This must stop. Too many resources are being used by a few businesses just to appease those businesses. I don't know how this came to be but it must end.
The good ol' boy network which still owns everything is what's keeping other businesses out of downtown, which it's worth noting didn't have anything before all the bars sprang up. No known force in the universe is going to keep college kids from partying, and closing the bars downtown just means they open up elsewhere, which means drunk kids driving all over town. On a positive note I have a hunch, assuming the college bubble doesn't catastrophically collapse in the next few years, that more non-bar businesses will eventually find their way downtown. Mostly stuff that caters to college kids, but hey better than nothing, right?

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Kinston has nothing to offer.

For the record - this thread is slowly starting to be a hate on Greenville thread. Can we get back to development talk?
Speaking of which, all this complaining about Greenville is funny considering if you want to hop in a time machine and see what the place was like 15 years ago, drive on down to Kinston.

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Old 04-26-2012, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Greenville, NC
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No known force in the universe is going to keep college kids from partying, and closing the bars downtown just means they open up elsewhere, which means drunk kids driving all over town.
Then why don't cities like Chapel Hill have this problem?
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:34 PM
 
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Who's to say chapel hill doesn't? Ecu students are looked at as out of control maniacs while unc students are just having fun when they have riots jumping over fires after a big win
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:50 PM
 
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I didn't nix anything. I just told it like it is.

The argument is that a team in Greenville would be a regional draw. It ain't happening. It didn't happen for Kinston and it won't happen for Greenville. Your own words "Who wants to go to Kinston just for a game?" works for Greenville the same as it does for Kinston.
You clearly are not thoroughly reading what's being written here. I'd explain it again, but I'd rather you take the time to go back and go over it again, this time without taking other people's words and ideas out of their context. And your idea to assign one bar for downtown while eliminating all the others is absurd.
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:04 PM
 
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Who's to say chapel hill doesn't? Ecu students are looked at as out of control maniacs while unc students are just having fun when they have riots jumping over fires after a big win
Well that and unless things have drastically changed since I was last there Franklin St. has more than its fair share of drinking and nightlife establishments.


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Then why don't cities like Chapel Hill have this problem?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by problem. Earlier you posted your disapproval of police blocking off parts of downtown late at night for kids at the bars as an impediment to other business that could be taking place. But what other businesses exactly do you have in mind that would be open downtown late at night?
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:31 PM
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Downtown Greenvlle will always be the spot where nightclubs, bars, and etc are that's why the West End should be revitalized for residents. If I weren't a student you would never catch me downtown but that's just me. In about 20-30 years maybe downtown will actually be a nice area, everything we all envision isn't going to happen as fast as we would like it to but I can see that progress is being made. Over the next 10 years I would like to see a hotel built, a master plan for the West End at the very least, a renovation of Town Commons, more companies locating downtown, and about 100 condo's built.
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