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Old 10-23-2012, 09:24 PM
 
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H I M Dark Light RIAA Certified Gold Record Award Ville Valo Him H E R Her | eBay

I did some research and only thing I could find was something about black frames not being authentic, I was hoping someone here is more familar with these types of awards.
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:31 PM
 
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H I M Dark Light RIAA Certified Gold Record Award Ville Valo Him H E R Her | eBay

I did some research and only thing I could find was something about black frames not being authentic, I was hoping someone here is more familar with these types of awards.
I'm a seller, not familiar with these awards. Check the sellers rating. Is their a Certificate of Authenticity?
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:48 PM
 
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He has good ratings, but he sells rare CD's as well. I noticed this seller listed a lot of RIAA awards. I bid and won this one because I LOOOOVE this band. But now worried because it might be a fake.
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Old 10-25-2012, 08:17 AM
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I suppose you could do an internet search to see what major auctions houses sell this sort of collectible. Then contact their experts with your question.

Or maybe look for the RIAA home website and ask them.
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Old 10-27-2012, 01:32 PM
 
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It's real, I emailed the original owner. He is retired from Warner bros records now since 2009. He confirmed it was real.
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Old 10-29-2012, 05:49 AM
 
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ya this is fake..
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Old 10-29-2012, 07:55 AM
 
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It's real lol I looked up the owner on facebook and messaged him. He is not the seller, he sold it to Rockaway Records and the person selling it obviously bought a bunch of and reselling on ebay. I also confirmed it on the RIAA site, there is a serial number in the bar.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:37 PM
 
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It's real, I emailed the original owner. He is retired from Warner bros records now since 2009. He confirmed it was real.
Gold records are handed out to the winners in a bunch. The record producer, the artists, the engineers, and the graphics designer almost always get a copy, as do family members, friends, agents, and financiers. And, of course, Warner executives, especially those in the upper levels of recording production.

I've never heard of that band. I think it's very possible that a retired executive who has a closet stacked full of now nearly forgotten gold records awarded to equally forgotten artists would come to a point where he wouldn't want to take up all available wall space in his retirement home with old gold records. For sure, he's going to keep the ones that are either the largest hits or the most closely connected to him, but this one could very well be one he just wanted to get rid of.

Learning if he is actually who he says he is would be very easy, if you haven't done it already. If he's the real deal, provenance on how he came by the gold record should be just as easy. Provenance is a factual trail of ownership that can be fully verified and documented. It is a requirement for some stuff, like high priced art, rare antiques, historically significant objects, and rare documents. I know nothing of the collector's market in gold records, but I'm sure there is one.

If it was me, I would politely request some written provenance on your certificate, especially if you bought it as an investment. If you bought it just for your pleasure and are satisfied with what you got from email, that's cool, too. I think the odds of it being genuine are greater than it being a forgery; forgers don't often go for obscurity in any field- they want the big money that comes from artifacts of the most famous and/or notorious.
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Old 10-31-2012, 09:20 PM
 
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It's real, I emailed the original owner. He is retired from Warner bros records now since 2009. He confirmed it was real.
A word here about record labels and the retail store in question.

I've known Gary and Wayne Johnson of Rockaway Records for 26 years. IMO they have the nicest retail store regarding CD's, DVD's, and particularly collectors lp's I've ever been in. They have a solid reputation, know a lot of people in the music business (the Capitol Record Tower is just 15 minutes from their store), pay top dollar for collections, and I could go on and on. Here's two stories regarding two massive purchases that I've seen in their store.

1. This one was won at an auction. Mel Torme is a well known jazz artist who was popular from the 40's to the 90's. Rockaway won the auction for Torme's personal music collection a year or so after Mr. Torme died. An incredible collection of vintage jazz recordings.

2. A guy who worked for Capitol Records sold to Rockaway a sealed copy of every lp Capitol pressed on a commercial basis, from the early 10 inch lp's of the early 50's to the last of the early 90's vinyl that was pressed.

It's not that surprising that they would wholesale awards to someone. They're a first class operation through and through. Fact.

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Old 10-31-2012, 09:53 PM
 
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Gold records are handed out to the winners in a bunch. The record producer, the artists, the engineers, and the graphics designer almost always get a copy, as do family members, friends, agents, and financiers. And, of course, Warner executives, especially those in the upper levels of recording production.

I've never heard of that band. I think it's very possible that a retired executive who has a closet stacked full of now nearly forgotten gold records awarded to equally forgotten artists would come to a point where he wouldn't want to take up all available wall space in his retirement home with old gold records. For sure, he's going to keep the ones that are either the largest hits or the most closely connected to him, but this one could very well be one he just wanted to get rid of.

Learning if he is actually who he says he is would be very easy, if you haven't done it already. If he's the real deal, provenance on how he came by the gold record should be just as easy. Provenance is a factual trail of ownership that can be fully verified and documented. It is a requirement for some stuff, like high priced art, rare antiques, historically significant objects, and rare documents. I know nothing of the collector's market in gold records, but I'm sure there is one.

If it was me, I would politely request some written provenance on your certificate, especially if you bought it as an investment. If you bought it just for your pleasure and are satisfied with what you got from email, that's cool, too. I think the odds of it being genuine are greater than it being a forgery; forgers don't often go for obscurity in any field- they want the big money that comes from artifacts of the most famous and/or notorious.
Good comments by banjomike as always!

The RIAA awards (Record Industry Association of America) are pressed in bigger quantities these days as opposed to the awards from decades ago. Up until the mid 1970's gold and platinum awards are known as "white mattes" do to the white mat background. Those awards were given to the specific artist or artists (in a group) individually as well as the record label, then finally to the A&R representative of the group. And no one else. Later awards from the 80's on were known as hologram awards and by this time more people were involved regarding receiving an RIAA award.

Good advice regarding some sort of written guarantee of what you have won on E-bay. Any reputable dealer, be it e-bay, Amazon, Music Stack or Gemm regarding online business or an established brick and mortar store would/should happily comply regarding a request for a letter of authenticity. You're spending a few hundred dollars for an item. It's a good chunk of coin. Why not request one?

Regarding the worth of what vintage music items go for. These type awards, autographs, and the like have never really had print documentation as to what these items should sell at. That is NOT the case for vintage vinyl however. The music trade magazine called "Goldmine" and another company simply known as Jerry Osborne has been in the business of documenting the worth of albums, 45's, 78's, and ep's (extended plays) since the mid 1970's. They cover all genres of music. And still crank out price guides today.

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