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People don't realize that all this change is not just affecting football, but other college sports . Those other athletes in other sports at Nebraska, Oklahoma, etc. will be affected too.
I actually think it is likely that Iowa State will end up there eventually. They play Iowa pretty much every year anyway, and the Big 10 will need more teams for its new Western Division.
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If the Big Ten wanted Iowa State then they would have them by now.
Iowa State has about as much chance of ending up in the Big Ten as Portland State. Absolutely none.
As much as I think the SEC and MWC may end up being ones who come off looking best in this by offering the Oklahoma schools an option against Texas' blackmail and giving the Big 12 refugees a home, I don't think either option as good as it takes both conferences well out of their historical footprint, and it does that only because of the shameful actions of the Pac 10 and Big 10 not because of some natural progression.
If you kill the regionality of college football, as this will go a long way towards doing, you've killed what makes the game unique. It will be pro football, and the paying of the players won't be far behind. After all a third of the top schools in the game are showing right now that all they care about is money no matter the cost. What profiteth it a school or contract if it sells its soul for a fat tv contract?
Big Ten added one team. The did nothing shameful. They didn't kill any conference.
The BCS, started by the ACC and SEC, is what nationalized college football. And that is all about money. And it was the SEC and ACC that pushed for a playoff a few years ago. Which would've nationalized the sport even more. And the only point was to make money.
Nebraska going to the Big Ten is a natural progression. Nebraska petitioned to join the Big Ten as early as 1900. And there were talks between Nebraska and the Big Ten at other points also. This hardly is shameful.
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Nebraska isn't anything special if you take away their football program. when the Big Ten says that they are a fit, they only mean in football because they can make them money, not for basketball or any other sport, and certainly not for academics.
Way to lower your standards, Big Ten.
The last 2 schools to join the Big Ten were MSU and PSU.
Neither of them were considered great academic schools at the time. They got better once they joined the Big Ten and CIC.
Nebraska has made a significant committment to research the last few years. They are only going to get better now that they are in the CIC.
If they play it right they should be able to haul in about an extra billion in research grants over the next 10 years just by being in the CIC. That is what PSU has been able to do.
The athletic budgets in the Big Ten are peanuts compared to the research dollars. And the research dollars bring better jobs, better professors, better students and more political power in D.C. I think that is what people miss on all this expansion stuff. It's not about picking up an extra 5 million a year or so from ESPN. It's about the billions and billions of dollars spent on research/academics.
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Kansas, K-State, Iowa State and Missouri join the Big East. 12 team football league and 20 team bb league.
Utah goes to the PAC 10. Along with Oklahoma, Okie State, Texas and Texas Tech. 16 team conference.
Texas A&M goes to the SEC. 13 team conference.
Baylor goes to the C-USA or WAC. TCU will block them from the MWC. But who really cares anyway.
The only questions left to be settled are:
Does the SEC add a 14th? Slive said he wasn't touching any ACC teams. Who can they get, besides A&M, that brings in enough money to make it feasible? I think they stay at 13 for a few years.
Does the Big Ten go after Maryland? I think they do. And I think they can get them. Though not in a week or two. And they take Virginia or Rutgers when Maryland joins. Probably in the next 2-3 years.
How much longer will ND stay independant? My guess is 5 years and then they join the Big Ten or possibly the ACC.
Last edited by OhioIstheBest; 06-12-2010 at 10:02 PM..
The last 2 schools to join the Big Ten were MSU and PSU..
not sure I see eye to eye with you on this one, Ohio (but most everything else you've said i've found spot on).
Both PSU and MSU made enormous strides after WWII and the onset of baby boomers in college.
Both universities made great strides under university leadership to make it happen. Of the two, the timing of conference membership and rising academics far more occurred at MSU. U-M had kept the Spartans out of the conference for years. It took the opening left by UChicago to give the Spartans their chance. Conference membership came around the same time that university status occurred.
U-M may be in a class by itself among the Big Ten publics, but MSU did more than its part in flattening the playing field. Arguably able to be the top notch highest ranked public university in so many of our states, MSU's post war mission made it less agricultural and more mirroring the very type of curriculum that Michigan had. MSU was well on the way, but the Big Ten helped. Today's MSU is no K-State, Ok State, Iowa St, Miss St, Ore St, or Wash St. On campus are both law and med schools and the curriculum is complete. Even its endowments rank among the high end public universities in that respect. As noted, MSU could be the flagship of a single flagship state since it functions as such far more than do most landgrants that developed a status as their states' second flagship.
Penn State is a horse of a different color, not only blue instead of green. PSU from the start, even in its college days, was Pennsylvania's chief public institution of higher learner (don't forget that in those days both Pitt and Temple were private, not public institutions).
If there is a model closest to Penn State, it is in Columbus. OSU had to work for its status, although it was a university from the start. OSU and PSU were both landgrants. PSU was held back by it being in an eastern state where private institutions got the ink, including the Ivy League's Penn itself. OSU on the other hand, had to battle instate foes of longer roots like Miami and Ohio, a difficulty other Big Ten flagships never had to face.
Thus Penn State had hardly "arrived" until the Milton Eisenhower era after WWII. The president's brother helped raise PSU to major status long before it joined the Big Ten nearly 40 years after MSU did.
And don't forget, Penn State had plenty of football status before conference membership. All east coast majors from Massachusetts to Pennsylvania were independents, so there was no down side for PSU. Hardly the case for MSU where independent status kept the Spartans in the shaddow of the Big Ten, the only perk from it came from yearly games vs. Notre Dame.
I think the Big Ten has helped both schools, but far more MSU than PSU in that regard.
Big Ten added one team. The did nothing shameful. They didn't kill any conference.
They added a team outside the geographic area they have always occupied, and the only reason they didn't go even crazier and add Texas is that Texas got a better deal.
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The BCS, started by the ACC and SEC, is what nationalized college football. And that is all about money.
I'm no fan of the BCS, but people always argue over which conference is best based on bowl performance. That preserves regionality, and if it doesn't it was the bowl system itself not the BCS that caused it.
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And it was the SEC and ACC that pushed for a playoff a few years ago. Which would've nationalized the sport even more. And the only point was to make money.
Yes using a playoff to determine a champion like every other sport out there is only about money. Never mind that the opponents of a playoff oppose it by saying it makes less money than the current system. And who are those opponents? The Big 10 and Pac 10.
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Nebraska going to the Big Ten is a natural progression. Nebraska petitioned to join the Big Ten as early as 1900. And there were talks between Nebraska and the Big Ten at other points also. This hardly is shameful.
If we're going to live like 1900 what are you doing using a computer to get on the internet? Nebraska is a Great Plains state not a Great Lakes state. The closest justification that Nebraska is a natural progression is that Iowa is in the Big 10, but it is by far the least Big 10 of the Big 10 schools anyways as it is also a Plains state and not a Lake state.
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