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Old 03-05-2012, 08:30 AM
 
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Interesting thing I just found...

Counting the 14 schools in the SEC. 9 of them have Ntl titles in football... and 7 have multiple national titles Bama(14), Vols(6), LSU(3), Florida(3), GA(2), Auburn(2), Ole Miss(3). The schools with only one are Arkansas & Texas A&M.

I think it's pretty extraordinary that 9/14 schools have atleast one Titles. And it was actually 8/12 before the new expansion. And if they had not expanded ever it would be an insane 7/10... Even though some are ancient history, almost 70% of the conf having Multiple National titles is insane!
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:09 AM
 
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Interesting thing I just found...

Counting the 14 schools in the SEC. 9 of them have Ntl titles in football... and 7 have multiple national titles Bama(14), Vols(6), LSU(3), Florida(3), GA(2), Auburn(2), Ole Miss(3). The schools with only one are Arkansas & Texas A&M.

I think it's pretty extraordinary that 9/14 schools have atleast one Titles. And it was actually 8/12 before the new expansion. And if they had not expanded ever it would be an insane 7/10... Even though some are ancient history, almost 70% of the conf having Multiple National titles is insane!
true...only the B1G(big 10) can match that, with Illinois, Michigan, Michigan St, Minnesota, Nebraska, Ohio St and Penn St having any national championship hardware in their treasure case.

the Big 12 can claim five out of 12 right now(Texas, OU, Texas A&M(leaving), Okie St and TCU(incoming)

the Pac 12 can claim six schools (USC, UCLA, Washington, Colorado, Cal, Stanford)

the ACC can claim five curent schools and two incoming(Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida St, Maryland, Miami, Syracuse and Pitt (both incoming)

the big east can claim two schools Sryacuse and Pitt, both leaving

the ivy league can claim five schools(all prior to 1927) Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Penn, Cornell,

the patriot league can claim one :lafayette

the academic powerhouse university of chicago won a national title in 1905.

current independents BYU and Notre Dame have won national titles.

Boise St won two 1-AA titles before moving up to D1
Marshall won four 1-AA titles before moving up to D1
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:11 PM
 
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I don't know if I would count the ones from schools that did not earn them in that conference. But I suppose since many of those titles were won as members of conferences that are no longer around, I guess they have to count somewhere.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:58 PM
 
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the Big 12 can claim five out of 12 right now(Texas, OU, Texas A&M(leaving), Okie St and TCU(incoming)


I don't see where OK State has won a Natty in football...

Oklahoma State Cowboys football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old 03-05-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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Plenty in other sports [especially wrestling], but nope, not football.
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Old 03-05-2012, 03:55 PM
 
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Most everybody outside the SEC recognizes that Bama is waay overreaching when they claim 14 national titles.
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Old 03-06-2012, 12:07 AM
 
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Most everybody outside the SEC recognizes that Bama is waay overreaching when they claim 14 national titles.
Amen! So sick and tired of Bama's claiming of 14. Going by the same standards, the Sooners can claim something like 17 titles.

AP Titles are the only true and least biased way to go.
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Old 03-06-2012, 10:55 AM
 
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AP Titles are the only true and least biased way to go.
That would take away almost all the schools titles then...

For example: Cal claims 5 Ntl Titles. But none are AP.

Illinois, Washington, Minnesota, GA tech, UCLA, Stanford, Ole Miss, etc... All claim titles but none are AP.

The problem is... some schools have been playing since the 1800's but the AP titles didn't start til 1936... So how do u acct for these titles prior to 1936?
In addition to that problem. There was a UPI from 1950-1990. There have also been several other factions that chose a National Champion. You can't say the AP is the best only because they are still around. 50 years from now the AP may not be around and it may another facton. So taking that into acct there are 100+ titles that are not accounted for by only using the AP.

So There is no "true" & "least biased" way because if you only use the AP you are taking a possilbe hundred other championships away. No matter how you do it... someone is being left out. That is why they came up with "claimed" titles as the best way.

Oklahoma has 17 titles by the various entities but only 7 claimed. Tennessee for example has 7 by the various entity selections. yet, they ONLY claim 6 titles. So they actually have less by using the Claim Titles. Bama has 18 selected and 14 claimed... so they are still ahead of Oklahoma if that is what you are getting at.

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Old 03-06-2012, 11:57 AM
 
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from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Di vision_I_FBS


Total championship selections from major selectors by school
The national title count listed below is a culmination of all championship awarded since 1869, regardless of consensus or non-consensus status, as listed in the table above according to the selectors deemed to be major as listed in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records (minus the Harris Interactive poll, 2005–present, that is listed but does not conduct a final poll or award a championship).[8]
The totals can be said to be disputed. Individual schools may claim national championships not accounted for by the NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records or may not claim national championship selections that do appear in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records (see National championship claims by school below). For an alternative independent view of national championship totals for each team, please see the College Football Data Warehouse recognized national champions or Poll era (1936-present) selections in the tables below.

School Championships
Princeton 28
Yale 27
Michigan 22
Notre Dame 21
Alabama 18
Oklahoma 17
USC 17
Ohio State 14
Harvard 12
Nebraska 11
Pittsburgh 11


National championship claims by school
The following is a table of known schools' claims on national championships at the highest level of play in college football. Several of these schools no longer compete at the highest level, which is currently NCAA Division I FBS, but nonetheless maintain claims to titles from when they did compete at the highest level.
Because there is no one governing or official body that regulates, recognizes, or awards national championships in college football, and because many independent selectors of championships exist, many of the claims by the schools listed below are shared, contradict each other, or are controversial.[5][8] In addition, because there is no one body overseeing national championships, no standardized requirements exist in order for a school to make a claim on a national championship, as any particular institution is free to make any declaration it deems to be fit. However, all known national championship claims are for seasons in which a National Championship, or share of a championship, was believed to be awarded to that particular school by at least one independent third-party selector.[21][22][23][24] The majority of these claims, but not all, are based on championships awarded from selectors listed as "major" in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records.[6] Not all championships awarded by third party selectors, nor those listed in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records, are necessarily claimed by each school.[25] Therefore, these claims represent how each individual school sees their own history on the subject of national championships.
This table below includes only national championship claims originating from each particular school and therefore represents the point-of-view of each individual institution. Each total number of championships, and the years for which they are claimed, are documented by the particular school on its official website, in its football media guide, or in other official publications or literature (see Source). If a championship is not mentioned by a school for any particular season, regardless of whether it was awarded by a selector or listed in a third-party publication such as the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records, it is not considered to be claimed by that institution.[26]

School Claimed National Championships Seasons Source
Princeton 28
Yale 26
Alabama 14
Michigan 11
Notre Dame 11
USC 11
Pittsburgh 9
Harvard 7
Ohio State 7
Oklahoma 7
Penn 7
Michigan St 6
Minnesota 6
Tennessee 6
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Old 03-06-2012, 01:07 PM
 
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from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Di vision_I_FBS


Total championship selections from major selectors by school
The national title count listed below is a culmination of all championship awarded since 1869, regardless of consensus or non-consensus status, as listed in the table above according to the selectors deemed to be major as listed in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records (minus the Harris Interactive poll, 2005–present, that is listed but does not conduct a final poll or award a championship).[8]
The totals can be said to be disputed. Individual schools may claim national championships not accounted for by the NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records or may not claim national championship selections that do appear in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records (see National championship claims by school below). For an alternative independent view of national championship totals for each team, please see the College Football Data Warehouse recognized national champions or Poll era (1936-present) selections in the tables below.

School Championships
Princeton 28
Yale 27
Michigan 22
Notre Dame 21
Alabama 18
Oklahoma 17
USC 17
Ohio State 14
Harvard 12
Nebraska 11
Pittsburgh 11


National championship claims by school
The following is a table of known schools' claims on national championships at the highest level of play in college football. Several of these schools no longer compete at the highest level, which is currently NCAA Division I FBS, but nonetheless maintain claims to titles from when they did compete at the highest level.
Because there is no one governing or official body that regulates, recognizes, or awards national championships in college football, and because many independent selectors of championships exist, many of the claims by the schools listed below are shared, contradict each other, or are controversial.[5][8] In addition, because there is no one body overseeing national championships, no standardized requirements exist in order for a school to make a claim on a national championship, as any particular institution is free to make any declaration it deems to be fit. However, all known national championship claims are for seasons in which a National Championship, or share of a championship, was believed to be awarded to that particular school by at least one independent third-party selector.[21][22][23][24] The majority of these claims, but not all, are based on championships awarded from selectors listed as "major" in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records.[6] Not all championships awarded by third party selectors, nor those listed in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records, are necessarily claimed by each school.[25] Therefore, these claims represent how each individual school sees their own history on the subject of national championships.
This table below includes only national championship claims originating from each particular school and therefore represents the point-of-view of each individual institution. Each total number of championships, and the years for which they are claimed, are documented by the particular school on its official website, in its football media guide, or in other official publications or literature (see Source). If a championship is not mentioned by a school for any particular season, regardless of whether it was awarded by a selector or listed in a third-party publication such as the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records, it is not considered to be claimed by that institution.[26]

School Claimed National Championships Seasons Source
Princeton 28
Yale 26
Alabama 14
Michigan 11
Notre Dame 11
USC 11
Pittsburgh 9
Harvard 7
Ohio State 7
Oklahoma 7
Penn 7
Michigan St 6
Minnesota 6
Tennessee 6
^^^
This proves my point for me.

I'm really shocked that Princeton & Yale aren't mentioned more often in the discussion of greatest/most tradition-laden football programs.

Either way, Bama's 14 claimed is a a greatly exaggerated and inconsistent misnomer. Bama has 8 AP titles which still situates them at the top of college football along with the Sooners (greatest football program in the modern era with 7AP titles and 47 game win streak = a truly unbreakable record in sports, not to mention most weeks rated #1, most 10, 11, 12 win seasons, etc....), USC, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Ohio State.

Bama can "claim" 18 or 14 or umpteen.....just don't expect the rest of college football fans/commentators to take 'em seriously. We expect it from SEC homers, but not everybody stands in awe and worships the SEC like Southeasterners.
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