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Old 09-09-2011, 09:59 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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Related news... Pac 12 commish Larry Scott tonight (during Arizona St/Mizzou) stated they are not actively looking for new members. He prefers not to expand.
Fine by me. Let the Aggies go and we'll go at it with 9 teams.

Makes travel a whole lot easier the way it's setup now. I guess too much wouldn't change if the Sooners went to the PAC.....I only go to Big 12 South games anyway. Those guys up North need to join the Big 10.
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Old 09-09-2011, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Midtown Omaha
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Not activity looking doesn't mean not listening.

Once this A&M mess gets figured out the Pac will grow.
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Old 09-10-2011, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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I wish somebody could answer this question for me:

Who on earth other than those manning the bottom line and the $$$$$$$$$$$$'s could gain anything or want any part of the vision-from-hell that would be a 16 team conference?

Does it serve the students? no. The universities? no. The fans? no.

What exactly are we thinking? Is college football nothing more than another professional sport, NFL Lite, if you prefer?

Aren't conferences supposed to be designed so that schools have a relationship with and play those in their neighborhood with whom they have a common bond? Am I to believe that prep sports, which still play by those rules and love it, have an edge on intelligence over the colleges that ignore them and dream of "super conferences" and squeezing out the little guys.

Doesn't an eight team conference make sense in terms of a round robin schedule and all that beautiful, traditional interconnection? Doesn't a ten team league work in similar ways, also allowing that every opponent be played (the Pac Ten operated this way).

An isn't even a 12 team conference fine, as long as it has a round robin, too (11 conference games....this is completely do-able, no matter what anybody may tell you). In 12 teams, you still could have a league championship game if more than one team was tied on top at the end of the season.

But 16 teams?????????? C'mon.

Whose brilliant idea is this? Which PR firm dreamt up this nightmere. Who on god's green earth wants a super conference.

What on earth would you do with such a monstrosity. Teams in such a conference would be so geographically dispersed and so numerous that they wouldn't have the personal relationships with each other that drive the college game.

How would even schedule such a horrendous grouping.

What is the goal? Do we want to wring all tradition out of this most traditional game, eleminating the past completely so it's all about one league, divided into perhaps 4 conferences and play-off that ends in its own Stupid Bowl or Stupider Bowl or Stupidest Bowl in February, the Saturday before Super Bowl Sunday.

And all these Texas schools that go scrambling from one league to potentially another....weren't they really a lot better off in the old days of the Southwest Conference and all those great interstate match ups between schools whose blood lines were undeniably interfused. Wasn't Texas better off with Rice than it would be with USC?

Wasn't the Big Ten a much more enjoyable place when it represented its clearly defined midwestern/great lakes roots, ten institutions that valued their stellar academics as much as their vaunted athletics and were an intregal part of what made their region tick.

wasn't there something special when the PCC/Pac 6/Pac 8 was truly west coast and part of that region's culture?

Wasn't there something more collegiate about the SEC when it had too private schools, Tulane along with Vandy, instead of only Vandy which seems not even to belong.

And even with stadiums half empty at best, is there something better and more collegiate and just plain sensible about the Ivy League than the mess that is big time football today.

Yes, where is it all going? What will happen next. What exactly is that vision-from-hell that we seem to so destroy and that runaway train that is the process of taking us there.

What do you have left of collegiate football if you take the collegiate out of it?
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Old 09-10-2011, 07:24 AM
 
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Yes, they do. A&M broke a lucrative contract with Baylor that will cost the Bears millions in TV revenue in the next few years.

Too bad the aggys don't have their own law school, 'cause I wouldn't want Ken Starr on my butt.
A&M doesn't have a contract with Baylor. The contract I believe you are speaking of is between Fox Sports and the Big 12. Since the Big12 by-laws include specific steps to withdraw, which A&M followed to the letter, the general opinion is that Baylor doesn't have a leg to stand on. Maybe Baylor should sue the Big 12 for including withdrawal procedures in their by-laws. I agree though that no one wants Ken Starr on their butt! That is what is keeping the SEC at bay for the present. Not sure if I were Baylor, that Ken Starr would be someone I would be proud of. Sort of looks like a chihuahua running around biting people's ankles!
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Old 09-10-2011, 08:34 AM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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I wish somebody could answer this question for me:

Who on earth other than those manning the bottom line and the $$$$$$$$$$$$'s could gain anything or want any part of the vision-from-hell that would be a 16 team conference?

Does it serve the students? no. The universities? no. The fans? no.

What exactly are we thinking? Is college football nothing more than another professional sport, NFL Lite, if you prefer?

Aren't conferences supposed to be designed so that schools have a relationship with and play those in their neighborhood with whom they have a common bond? Am I to believe that prep sports, which still play by those rules and love it, have an edge on intelligence over the colleges that ignore them and dream of "super conferences" and squeezing out the little guys.

Doesn't an eight team conference make sense in terms of a round robin schedule and all that beautiful, traditional interconnection? Doesn't a ten team league work in similar ways, also allowing that every opponent be played (the Pac Ten operated this way).

An isn't even a 12 team conference fine, as long as it has a round robin, too (11 conference games....this is completely do-able, no matter what anybody may tell you). In 12 teams, you still could have a league championship game if more than one team was tied on top at the end of the season.

But 16 teams?????????? C'mon.

Whose brilliant idea is this? Which PR firm dreamt up this nightmere. Who on god's green earth wants a super conference.

What on earth would you do with such a monstrosity. Teams in such a conference would be so geographically dispersed and so numerous that they wouldn't have the personal relationships with each other that drive the college game.

How would even schedule such a horrendous grouping.

What is the goal? Do we want to wring all tradition out of this most traditional game, eleminating the past completely so it's all about one league, divided into perhaps 4 conferences and play-off that ends in its own Stupid Bowl or Stupider Bowl or Stupidest Bowl in February, the Saturday before Super Bowl Sunday.

And all these Texas schools that go scrambling from one league to potentially another....weren't they really a lot better off in the old days of the Southwest Conference and all those great interstate match ups between schools whose blood lines were undeniably interfused. Wasn't Texas better off with Rice than it would be with USC?

Wasn't the Big Ten a much more enjoyable place when it represented its clearly defined midwestern/great lakes roots, ten institutions that valued their stellar academics as much as their vaunted athletics and were an intregal part of what made their region tick.

wasn't there something special when the PCC/Pac 6/Pac 8 was truly west coast and part of that region's culture?

Wasn't there something more collegiate about the SEC when it had too private schools, Tulane along with Vandy, instead of only Vandy which seems not even to belong.

And even with stadiums half empty at best, is there something better and more collegiate and just plain sensible about the Ivy League than the mess that is big time football today.

Yes, where is it all going? What will happen next. What exactly is that vision-from-hell that we seem to so destroy and that runaway train that is the process of taking us there.

What do you have left of collegiate football if you take the collegiate out of it?
>>>>>
What exactly are we thinking?
<<<<<

They're not thinking, Edsg. NO thinking at all.

>>>>>
Aren't conferences supposed to be designed so that schools have a relationship with and play those in their neighborhood with whom they have a common bond?
<<<<<

I'm with ya here 110%.

>>>>>
Teams in such a conference would be so geographically dispersed and so numerous that they wouldn't have the personal relationships with each other that drive the college game.
<<<<<

This is the heart of the matter. No geographic affinity undermines the relationships based on traditions/regionalism/culture of the teams within the conference. This WILL cheapen and hurt college football. Sad, sad.
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Old 09-10-2011, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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Related news... Pac 12 commish Larry Scott tonight (during Arizona St/Mizzou) stated they are not actively looking for new members. He prefers not to expand.
He doesn't need to look, he knows the Pac-10 is in the position of power. He played his hand last year, and now everyone knows the giant TV contract the league has and it will only get better if the Pac expands. Oklahoma just needs to decide.
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Old 09-10-2011, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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>>>>>
What exactly are we thinking?
<<<<<

They're not thinking, Edsg. NO thinking at all.

>>>>>
Aren't conferences supposed to be designed so that schools have a relationship with and play those in their neighborhood with whom they have a common bond?
<<<<<

I'm with ya here 110%.

>>>>>
Teams in such a conference would be so geographically dispersed and so numerous that they wouldn't have the personal relationships with each other that drive the college game.
<<<<<

This is the heart of the matter. No geographic affinity undermines the relationships based on traditions/regionalism/culture of the teams within the conference. This WILL cheapen and hurt college football. Sad, sad.
bass, you are a kindred soul, indeed.

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No geographic affinity undermines the relationships based on traditions/regionalism/culture of the teams within the conference.
the only culture i see growing in college football today is the type that grows in a petri dish.
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Old 09-10-2011, 11:16 AM
 
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Haha. Bohls is unafraid to call it as he sees it, regardless of team. That's what a journalist of any quality should do. Takes some balls to write like that in Austin.

He will be persona nongrata with Mack Brown unless writes good news articles all the time.

[Whorn] But.... But.... We're Texas!!! [/Whorn]


lol, his column is spot on.
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Old 09-10-2011, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Back in the Southland
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I can see it now; A&M gets blocked, Baylor wins the Big 12 and will honor the trophy in the name of Ken Starr
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Old 09-10-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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I wish somebody could answer this question for me:

Who on earth other than those manning the bottom line and the $$$$$$$$$$$$'s could gain anything or want any part of the vision-from-hell that would be a 16 team conference?

Does it serve the students? no. The universities? no. The fans? no.

What exactly are we thinking? Is college football nothing more than another professional sport, NFL Lite, if you prefer?

Aren't conferences supposed to be designed so that schools have a relationship with and play those in their neighborhood with whom they have a common bond? Am I to believe that prep sports, which still play by those rules and love it, have an edge on intelligence over the colleges that ignore them and dream of "super conferences" and squeezing out the little guys.

Doesn't an eight team conference make sense in terms of a round robin schedule and all that beautiful, traditional interconnection? Doesn't a ten team league work in similar ways, also allowing that every opponent be played (the Pac Ten operated this way).

An isn't even a 12 team conference fine, as long as it has a round robin, too (11 conference games....this is completely do-able, no matter what anybody may tell you). In 12 teams, you still could have a league championship game if more than one team was tied on top at the end of the season.

But 16 teams?????????? C'mon.

Whose brilliant idea is this? Which PR firm dreamt up this nightmere. Who on god's green earth wants a super conference.

What on earth would you do with such a monstrosity. Teams in such a conference would be so geographically dispersed and so numerous that they wouldn't have the personal relationships with each other that drive the college game.

How would even schedule such a horrendous grouping.

What is the goal? Do we want to wring all tradition out of this most traditional game, eleminating the past completely so it's all about one league, divided into perhaps 4 conferences and play-off that ends in its own Stupid Bowl or Stupider Bowl or Stupidest Bowl in February, the Saturday before Super Bowl Sunday.

And all these Texas schools that go scrambling from one league to potentially another....weren't they really a lot better off in the old days of the Southwest Conference and all those great interstate match ups between schools whose blood lines were undeniably interfused. Wasn't Texas better off with Rice than it would be with USC?

Wasn't the Big Ten a much more enjoyable place when it represented its clearly defined midwestern/great lakes roots, ten institutions that valued their stellar academics as much as their vaunted athletics and were an intregal part of what made their region tick.

wasn't there something special when the PCC/Pac 6/Pac 8 was truly west coast and part of that region's culture?

Wasn't there something more collegiate about the SEC when it had too private schools, Tulane along with Vandy, instead of only Vandy which seems not even to belong.

And even with stadiums half empty at best, is there something better and more collegiate and just plain sensible about the Ivy League than the mess that is big time football today.

Yes, where is it all going? What will happen next. What exactly is that vision-from-hell that we seem to so destroy and that runaway train that is the process of taking us there.

What do you have left of collegiate football if you take the collegiate out of it?

It would be the first step to a playoff. 16 works great. You play every team in your division and then play the winner of the other division for the Conference title.

4 16 team conferences would basically be a giant 64 team playoff. The final 4 could be part of the bowl games. Just add a plus one on the end of it and there you have it.

Its not a matter of if, its a matter of when.
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