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Old 11-14-2011, 08:35 AM
 
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What is unbelievable to me is that apparently people who may have NO involvement with Sandusky's criminal behavior are just not taking any of this seriously--
I understand that until convicted a person should be considered "innocent" in the eyes of the law and given all due consideration for fairness--
BUT Sandusky had a history of reported sexual impropriety with children--a long history--which could have and should have been taken into consideration when assessing bail/flight risk and the danger he could reoffend while on parole
But apparently this judge thought he was not a danger to the community enough to reduce his bail to something that was not a hardship to produce NOR require that he wear an ankle monitor so the police could track his presence...
the judge did not even consider that Sandusky is at risk of personal harm while he is free to go about the community--

to me that is just stupid, lax, behavior and definitely shows the "good ol' boy network" in play--

I am not saying this judge did anything illegal with Second Mile--
BUT she certainly did not consider how her actions could be interpreted within the legal community
I think she is going to get her hand slapped because someone is probably going to file a complaint about her decision--
this is getting international attention--
anyone involved directly or indirectly better think twice before making any public statement or decision because it could boomrang on them...

I think McQueary is going to strike a deal with prosecutors (probably even the Feds) and turn against Paterno and the Penn State admin staff...
IF as Barry Switzer has alledged (from knowing how no crime goes unmarked within a coaching staff) AND Sandusky's behavior was generally suspected among the football/college staff then McQueary could have other info to lay down besides that shower incident...

If some people's media history shows how careers can be reverse-engineered, he will probably try to create a career out of being an advocate for the education/awareness of child sex abuse...
Like Frank W. Abagnale of "Catch Me If You Can" fame--the check forger who went to work for Treasury Dept and developed very successful business as security consultant...
He is going to have a very difficult time getting a decent job in coaching after this I think

 
Old 11-14-2011, 08:46 AM
 
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Judge who freed Sandusky was 2nd Mile volunteer - TODAY News - TODAY.com

click on the Interview video
pretty creepy--
and his teeth look really sharp to me--
make his image more spooky

and my bet that he was abused as child went from 80% to about 1000% after seeing how he avoided eye-contact with the interviewer at parts of the interview

I wish someone would do more in-depth investigation on his early life--
records are probably non-existant and his parents I think have passed away--
I think that he grew up living over a community center that his dad ran--fairly poor family--and sports were important at very early part of his life--
he was programmed...

AND I really think he has probably abused his sons...
just really sad...
 
Old 11-14-2011, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh--Home of the 6 time Super Bowl Champions!
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Article in today's local paper (Fort Worth TX) about TX's requirement to report suspected sexual child abuse...
aparently TX laws are a good deal more demanding from witnesses than PA's--
Texas child abuse expert outlines the state's reporting law | Local News | News from For... (http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/11/13/3523000/reporting-child-abuse-is-required.html - broken link)

What are the legal obligations of reporting suspected abuse in Texas?

We are a mandatory reporting state, and what that means is that our state mandates that anyone who suspects abuse must report it. That means report it to authorities, local law enforcement, not your boss.

If they even suspect abuse they are required to report it, not just if it's an eyewitness account. It's a much lower burden of proof. They don't have to be 100 percent sure that it happened, if it's just suspected.

Aren't people afraid of turning in their neighbors, their co-workers or their relatives?

In Texas, the law protects the reporter. They do not need to be the judge and jury or do their own investigating.

If they report in good faith, that's all they need to do.

Texas does have a time frame; a professional reporter who suspects abuse must make the report within 48 hours. A professional reporter would be a pediatrician, a teacher, a soccer coach, a therapist.

They are absolutely protected as long as they've done it in good faith. Not only are they protected in that capacity, but their identity is protected. (underlining is mine)

Do people face any legal actions if they don't report a case of abuse?

They do. Not reporting is a Class A misdemeanor. Failure to report is punishable by up to a year in jail and a fine of up to $4,000. There are other circumstances with stronger punishment. An example might be if a mother knew that child sexual abuse was going on and did nothing. That carries much harsher punishment than a Class A misdemeanor.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Apparently a PA legislator is going to reintroduce a bill to make ssomethingimilar the law in PA--he did it before and it never made it--
Maybe this time people will see that reporting suspicions or eye witness testimony to "your boss" who may have a vested interest in downplaying the evidence/criminality of the incident is not the best way to deal with a true sexual predator of children...
and I don't care if your boss is a school principal or an athletic director or the head of IBM...
POLICE need to investigate child abuse cases...not generic citizens...
and even when police or CPS get involved--the case is not always handled in the best way--as the 1998 investigation of Sandusky proves...
It's already in the works ...the bill that is! I'm sure it will be passed in light of the PSU scandal.

Another reason for me to LOVE Texas!
 
Old 11-14-2011, 08:48 AM
 
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Oh lawdy!



Not to mention that both judges who let Sandusky walk in 2002 and last week are volunteers at his Second Mile "charity".

Is this all just coincidence, or does Happy Valley harbor a good ol' boy pederast club?

Disgusting! I read this last week about him living near an elementary school! Hopefully he will be spending ALOT of time in prison with Bubba! I've been commenting here and am not a football diehard but when it involves this piece of trash with children-ugh!It hits home.. I just think about my twins' future with all this happening in the world today!. Just cannot believe it's taken two decades to have it come to fruition! I cannot believe the bum is out on 100k bail!! Sickening. Why didn't the judge revoke his bail?

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this involving the prosecutor, Ray Gricar, who went missing in 2005. Turns out one of the victims' mothers came forward, reported what happened and Gricar didn't prosecute Sandusky due to insufficient evidence? Now, they recently declared Ray Gricar legally dead as of July 2011. Hmm, wonder if someone shut him up? Too many unanswered questions here surrounding this case.

Ray Gricar, Missing Pennsylvania DA, Opted Not To Prosecute Jerry Sandusky
 
Old 11-14-2011, 08:55 AM
 
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the Gricar situation has been reported, speculated on in various media stories and mentioned on city-data
two of his family members have different pov about possibility of his not prosecuting because of pressure to let Sandusky walk--
his daughter who is the one who asked for the death declaration says that her father would never back down from persuing any case he thought was justified
his nephew (I think) said that after that incident in 98 or 99 when Gricar failed to prosecute Sandusky, that his uncle became very disenchanted with Penn State football where he had once been a fan--that he would not watch or talk about games--turned negative...
so my thought is that seems too much of coincidence to just shrug off...

supposedly there was investigation of Gricar's disappearance with nothing to substantiate any option--death--suicide--or just walking away to new identity...

and I guess at that time a district attorney probably knew people who could help him create a new identity--much easier to do before 9/11
 
Old 11-14-2011, 09:01 AM
 
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Michael Jackson’s bail was set at 3million, and those were only allegations of abuse, whereas in this case there is irrefutable evidence and this Sandusky gets $100k and no electronic bracelet, something is very wrong.

These conservative male dominated fraternal organizations starting with the catholic church have too much power, but it's a big business and money takes precedence over children being raped and molested. . .to quote Sartre, 'by any means necessary'.

By Any Means Necessary. Translation of a phrase coined by the French intellectual Jean Paul Sartre in his play Dirty Hands.

I was not the one to invent lies: they were created in a society divided by class and each of us inherited lies when we were born. It is not by refusing to lie that we will abolish lies: it is by eradicating class by any means necessary.
 
Old 11-14-2011, 09:04 AM
 
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The dark side of America is there for all of us to witness. Protection for the slave owners and protection for the child rapist.

Justice calls out.
 
Old 11-14-2011, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Whidbey Island, WA
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These conservative male dominated fraternal organizations starting with the catholic church have too much power, but it's a big business and money takes precedence over children being raped and molested. . .to quote Sartre, 'by any means necessary'.

By Any Means Necessary. Translation of a phrase coined by the French intellectual Jean Paul Sartre in his play Dirty Hands.

I was not the one to invent lies: they were created in a society divided by class and each of us inherited lies when we were born. It is not by refusing to lie that we will abolish lies: it is by eradicating class by any means necessary.
Les Mains Sales or the Dirty Hands had at it's core the proper "engagement" s'engager of the citizen in the world. It meant that to eradicate injustice ordinary people had to commit to practice citizenship. Sarte's hope in his despair of the "inherited sins" was that a man or a woman would refuse to be a compliant person and forcefully engage and mold the world, the city, the neighborhood, the family. To get ones hands dirty is the salvation from the unrelenting corruption. That was his focus in this selfish world.

These men and women who condone them are monsters. The difference is that they are afraid of the monster inside themselves. The man or woman with Les Mains Sales embraces that monster inside and bends it's metal into doing deeds which vivify society and redeem it.
 
Old 11-14-2011, 09:11 AM
 
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the Gricar situation has been reported, speculated on in various media stories and mentioned on city-data
two of his family members have different pov about possibility of his not prosecuting because of pressure to let Sandusky walk--
his daughter who is the one who asked for the death declaration says that her father would never back down from persuing any case he thought was justified
his nephew (I think) said that after that incident in 98 or 99 when Gricar failed to prosecute Sandusky, that his uncle became very disenchanted with Penn State football where he had once been a fan--that he would not watch or talk about games--turned negative...
so my thought is that seems too much of coincidence to just shrug off...

supposedly there was investigation of Gricar's disappearance with nothing to substantiate any option--death--suicide--or just walking away to new identity...

and I guess at that time a district attorney probably knew people who could help him create a new identity--much easier to do before 9/11

So sad. His family had said he would never go down without a fight and for him to walk away from a case, especially of this kind, it's just mind blowing. I am surmising someone had it in for him and murdered him. I remember following this case on Greta Van Sustern show. Hopefully Sandusky will be put away for life. Jo Pa should be in the next cell over and anyone else who let this happen.
 
Old 11-14-2011, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh--Home of the 6 time Super Bowl Champions!
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I think McQueary is going to strike a deal with prosecutors (probably even the Feds) and turn against Paterno and the Penn State admin staff...
IF as Barry Switzer has alledged (from knowing how no crime goes unmarked within a coaching staff) AND Sandusky's behavior was generally suspected among the football/college staff then McQueary could have other info to lay down besides that shower incident...

If some people's media history shows how careers can be reverse-engineered, he will probably try to create a career out of being an advocate for the education/awareness of child sex abuse...
Like Frank W. Abagnale of "Catch Me If You Can" fame--the check forger who went to work for Treasury Dept and developed very successful business as security consultant...
He is going to have a very difficult time getting a decent job in coaching after this I think
McQueary will never coach again--given all the evidence that is coming out. I bet he strikes a deal also.

That judge should be ashamed. How much was the bail reduced?
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Judge who freed Sandusky was 2nd Mile volunteer - TODAY News - TODAY.com

click on the Interview video
pretty creepy--
and his teeth look really sharp to me--
make his image more spooky

and my bet that he was abused as child went from 80% to about 1000% after seeing how he avoided eye-contact with the interviewer at parts of the interview

I wish someone would do more in-depth investigation on his early life--
records are probably non-existant and his parents I think have passed away--
I think that he grew up living over a community center that his dad ran--fairly poor family--and sports were important at very early part of his life--
he was programmed...

AND I really think he has probably abused his sons...
just really sad...
That is a CREEPY interview how he talks about the kids. Makes me want to vomit.
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Originally Posted by loves2read View Post
supposedly there was investigation of Gricar's disappearance with nothing to substantiate any option--death--suicide--or just walking away to new identity...

and I guess at that time a district attorney probably knew people who could help him create a new identity--much easier to do before 9/11
I think he was murdered...just my opinion.
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