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Old 07-24-2012, 08:12 AM
 
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Franco Harris is a good man (this is coming from a Browns fan), and he is losing a lot of money by saying this. Maybe people should put their pitchforks down and listen.
Franco "harrahs" pimps for a casino but has lost that endorsement (temporarily?) due to his comments if that's what you mean by a "good man", he is 62 and in deep denial.

Yet another utterly biased PSU alum that helps make their university look bad.

 
Old 07-24-2012, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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The death penalty talk with regard to SMU is misguided. SMU didn't recover because they have no fan base.
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:26 AM
 
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SMU didn't recover because they could no longer pay players..
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Yeah. And Franco could oh....read the actual emails that pretty much launched the perjury charges and confirmed that Paterno squashed the guys that wanted to report Sandusky 12-13 years ago....and keep it "in house".

Franco has had too many concussions over the years. Would be funny to see him go on TV and have Freeh read the emails to him and then watch Franco flounder. Moron.

Franco, and many other pro-sports figures have had thier butts kissed so much they think they are experts at and can do anything. Then they open their mouths and look like Stephen Hawking would if he were to try olympic synchronized swimming.
 
Old 07-24-2012, 09:30 PM
 
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My question is this... If you don't give Penn State the death penalty how do you ever give it to a school in the future?

It should have been all or nothing. Either the NCAA and Big 10 terminate the program (either temporarily or permenantly) or stay out of it and let the courts handle it. While my first reaction to this scandal was "Death Penalty! Kill the program" now I'm not so sure. I'd be satisfied if everyone who knew about Sandusky and covered it up is prosecuted, thrown in prison and tossed into general population. If they had any honor they would commit suicide after writing an apology letter to the victims.

I was glad to see that all of the players will be allowed to transfer without penalty. This years seniors are probably screwed but at least the rest of the kids can salvage their career.
You don't. The death penalty should never be used. You punish those who are responsible for any misdoings. And then you come down hard on a program, like the NCAA has. What they have levied is justified. I think the NCAA can be misguided at times. USC gets hit hard because of the actions of Reggie Bush, which to my knowledge, he never apologized (to the school) for.


It should be interesting to see what kind of welcome the team sees at road games this season.
 
Old 07-25-2012, 05:47 AM
 
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If SMU taught the NCAA one thing, it taught them to never use the death penalty again.. and this PSU scandal proves they never will. I would have preferred to have seen a higher fine and less of a scholarship restriction but one could easily see how the fewer scholarships does result in a higher fine due to the lack of revenue the football squad will be able to produce over the next decade.

The one thing I didn't really expect was the 100+ wins abandoned. I don't think anyone believes that PSU gained a competitive advantage over the past decade but its like the NCAA saying to Joe, 'we can't punish you now because you have passed but we can punish your legacy by taking away 100+ wins... It's kind of like throwing salt on a wound and I am not sure it was motivated by penance or malice but more likely by expediency.. by not having Joe Paterno's name at the top of the NCAA wins list, you avoid a lot of future tension.
 
Old 07-25-2012, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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I think PSU football would'e been hurt somewhat by the pedophile coach scandal if it had become public 10 years ago. To preserve the high level of recruiting & its reputation is why Paterno ordered the coverup. So that gave the program an advantage over what could have been otherwise.
Obviously the fallout would've been minor compared to how it actually turned out.

Paterno and his conspirators chose very poorly, much to the detriment of the added victims, the players, the program, his legacy, the fans, the vendors, and the university.

So sad, so tragic.
 
Old 07-25-2012, 07:18 AM
 
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The one thing I didn't really expect was the 100+ wins abandoned. I don't think anyone believes that PSU gained a competitive advantage over the past decade but its like the NCAA saying to Joe, 'we can't punish you now because you have passed but we can punish your legacy by taking away 100+ wins... It's kind of like throwing salt on a wound and I am not sure it was motivated by penance or malice but more likely by expediency.. by not having Joe Paterno's name at the top of the NCAA wins list, you avoid a lot of future tension.

In my opinion, vacating wins is about as meaningless a punishment as there is. Penn State still won those games. You aren't going to change the memories the players and coaches have. It's not like the NCAA is the thought police and can say to those players and coaches "you are no longer allowed to feel that you won those games". This just strikes me as a meaningless gesture.
 
Old 07-25-2012, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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To anyone still mad about the Paterno statue being taken down; just look the other way and pretend nothing's happening.
 
Old 07-26-2012, 06:44 AM
 
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In my opinion, vacating wins is about as meaningless a punishment as there is. Penn State still won those games. You aren't going to change the memories the players and coaches have. It's not like the NCAA is the thought police and can say to those players and coaches "you are no longer allowed to feel that you won those games". This just strikes me as a meaningless gesture.
true... but 2 generations from now. When people will not be alive to "remember" winning the games. The history books will reflect them as losses.

In addition, the NCAA did not want Paterno's name at the top of that list because of the scandal. His name will forever be associated with this, no one will care about what Paterno did coaching years from now... just as OJ's football skills are long forgotten. So the taking away of the losses was more a direct shot to Paterno directly than PSU.
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