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Old 11-15-2011, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Always
? = too strong on the language there, Mr. GE.

The SEC has always had Bama, but LSU is kinda a Johnny Come Lately in terms of tradition. Florida, TN, and GA have had historical success, but nowhere near the Big 3 of the Big 12 at its formation: Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Texas (in that order). Colorado was no slouch at the inception of the Big 12 either.

The SEC has had tremendous success the last several years, and it appears that no one will be able to stop LSU this year, but your claim was a tad overstated from a realistic historical perspective. Just pointing that out.

Carry on.
Yep. The ONLY team in the SEC that even dare compare themselves to OU, Texas, and Nebraska (even tho they are now gone) is Bama. Everyone else in the SEC sucks wind compared to those schools.
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:40 PM
 
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Yep. The ONLY team in the SEC that even dare compare themselves to OU, Texas, and Nebraska (even tho they are now gone) is Bama. Everyone else in the SEC sucks wind compared to those schools.
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Old 11-15-2011, 11:44 PM
 
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Yep. The ONLY team in the SEC that even dare compare themselves to OU, Texas, and Nebraska (even tho they are now gone) is Bama. Everyone else in the SEC sucks wind compared to those schools.

Funny how you all are trying to hold on to Nebraska... (mod edit)

And Yes OK & TX have great historical programs but to say the SEC pgms don't have it either is ridiculous. LSU is one of the winningest pgms... As a matter of fact the SEC has 5 of the top 17 winningest pgms. No other
Conference can say that... The Big 12 only has 2!!! The Big 10 has 4 counting Nebraska... face it the Big 12 is trash as a whole... It's all TX & OK. And 2 teams do not a make a conference great!!!


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Old 11-16-2011, 07:22 AM
 
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Funny how you all are trying to hold on to Nebraska... (mod edit)

And Yes OK & TX have great historical programs but to say the SEC pgms don't have it either is ridiculous. LSU is one of the winningest pgms... As a matter of fact the SEC has 5 of the top 17 winningest pgms. No other
Conference can say that... The Big 12 only has 2!!! The Big 10 has 4 counting Nebraska... face it the Big 12 is trash as a whole... It's all TX & OK. And 2 teams do not a make a conference great!!!


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Your list is hilarious. The SEC doesn't even have a team in the top 10 (from your list) for winningnest programs... that's pretty sad.

While the Big 12 has 2 in the top 10.

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Old 11-16-2011, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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LOL... explored what options? what other conference wanted them... please provide some proof of this?
Business 101 - always have a contingency plan. No organization the size of a major university doesnt have a contingency plan at all times. You think every single school in the Big 12 didnt have an out in case the conference folded? You think they didnt have conversations with other conferences? You dont so much as start a lemonade stand without knowing that you always have a contingency plan. It's one of the fundamental concepts in business and these are CEO level guys running these schools, they wouldnt sit there and not plan.

The only reason we knew about MU and the SEC is that that school cannot keep their mouth shut for anything. They literally blab about everything. They released that they were going to the Big 10 last year and they released that they were hiring Matt Painter and both never happened. They also released that they were headed to the SEC before the SEC even offered them a spot. The MU athletic department is known for leaking info and that is the only reason we knew about their plans.

There is no way in hell that KU, KSU, Baylor, Iowa St. or any other Big 12 school didnt have other plans. If you dont have contingency plans, you dont survive.

KU has more revenue, higher rated in academics, and a national powerhouse program in a revenue producing sport that is on national TV for half of their games every year. You think that KU couldnt find a spot somewhere?

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Your kidding right... Better Than the SEC? How many final four appearances does the Big 12 have since inception.... 6, and only one team has won the title. Kansas in '08.

The SEC has 10 Final Four appearances during this same period (since '96).. with 4 National Titles by 2 different teams. Kentucky and Florida winning 2 each. And they have 13 Final Four appearances since it expanded to 12 schools in '92. With 3 National Titles. Arkansas won in '94...
Conferences are made up of more than their top schools in a particular sport, from top-to-bottom, the Big 12 is a significantly better basketball conference than the SEC. You cannot just conveniently cut the top off and use that to make a judgment, that's not how things work. The Big 12, next to the Big East has been consistently the top basketball conference in the nation for the last decade or more. There have been several times when the Big 12 had 7 of it's 12 teams in the Top 25.

Who in the SEC is good at basketball? UK and Florida and Florida has only recently gotten there. Other than that you have Tennessee which puts together a good couple of years every now and again. Who else? Arkansas hasnt been good for years. GT has had a couple of good runs. Who else?

MU and Texas A&M make the SEC a much better basketball conference than they were before. They have a shot at being the 3rd and 4th best basketball schools in the conference on a regular basis whereas they were middle of the pack in the Big 12.
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Old 11-16-2011, 09:21 AM
 
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. And 2 teams do not a make a conference great!!!

It's kind of funny that you talk about the SEC being good in basketball and only use stats of Florida and UK to do so but then you make this statement. Which is it?

I heard several analyst on ESPN say the other day that this season the Big 12 is by far the best football conference in the nation this year.
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Old 11-16-2011, 10:02 AM
 
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There is no way in hell that KU, KSU, Baylor, Iowa St. or any other Big 12 school didnt have other plans.
I'm still waiting on the proof that another conference was interested in Kansas for expansion...


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Who in the SEC is good at basketball? UK and Florida and Florida has only recently gotten there. Other than that you have Tennessee which puts together a good couple of years every now and again. Who else? Arkansas hasnt been good for years. GT has had a couple of good runs. Who else?

Unlike Football... Basketball actually settles who the best is on the court, so rankings dont mean anything. Winning Championships do... but since you brought up rankings, lets compare them now.

Kentucky #2... Vandy #7... Florida #8... Alabama #19...
vs
Baylor #12... Kansas #13... TAMU #20... Mizzou #25...

They both have the same amount of teams ranked... But the SEC has 3 teams in the top 10... the Big 12 has 0...

O yea.... and GT is in the ACC, not the SEC.

What else you got?
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Old 11-16-2011, 10:50 AM
 
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I'm still waiting on the proof that another conference was interested in Kansas for expansion...
Common sense. Anyone who has taken high school business knows that you always make contingency plans. You dont wait until the **** hits the fan to make a plan, you always have Plan A, Plan B, Plan C, Plan D, etc You dont run a university and not be smart enough to do something that they teach in high school business classes. There is no way in hell that every Big 12 school didnt have an out. It's not possible. If the people running those schools were that stupid, they would all end up getting shut down.

You wont find proof because a well-ran organization doesnt leak information that would be damaging to it's self. They had a stance that they wouldnt leave until the conference was folding and stuck to it. But, any moron with a high school diploma knows that you make contingency plans. Anyone who thinks those schools didnt have back-up plans is an idiot.

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Unlike Football... Basketball actually settles who the best is on the court, so rankings dont mean anything. Winning Championships do... but since you brought up rankings, lets compare them now.

Kentucky #2... Vandy #7... Florida #8... Alabama #19...
vs
Baylor #12... Kansas #13... TAMU #20... Mizzou #25...

They both have the same amount of teams ranked... But the SEC has 3 teams in the top 10... the Big 12 has 0...
You do realize that this actually aids my argument, not yours, right?

This year is the worst year for basketball in the history of the Big 12, without question. Texas, Oklahoma, Ok State, KU, K-State are all rebuilding in a major way. Not only is this a normal year for SEC basketball but probably an excellent year for the conference. The Big 12 almost always has 3 teams in the Top 10, that is commonplace for us. It's not a big deal. The SEC having 3 schools in the Top 10? That doesnt happen often. So, you are comparing an up year for the SEC to the worst year in the history of the Big 12 - kudos.

Go look at the last 10, 15 years and get back to me. The SEC is probably the worst basketball conference out of all the major conferences. Sports talk radio here in KC has ran numbers on it because the MU move has been probably the #1 topic of the last few months and there are numbers to back it up. I cannot even believe an SEC fan is trying to make a case for their conference being good in basketball.
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Old 11-16-2011, 10:57 AM
 
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Your list is hilarious. The SEC doesn't even have a team in the top 10 (from your list) for winningnest programs... that's pretty sad.

While the Big 12 has 2 in the top 10.
Their schedules are a joke, easy to win.
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Old 11-16-2011, 11:33 AM
 
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Common sense. Anyone who has taken high school business knows that you always make contingency plans. You dont wait until the **** hits the fan to make a plan, you always have Plan A, Plan B, Plan C, Plan D, etc You dont run a university and not be smart enough to do something that they teach in high school business classes. There is no way in hell that every Big 12 school didnt have an out. It's not possible. If the people running those schools were that stupid, they would all end up getting shut down.

You wont find proof because a well-ran organization doesnt leak information that would be damaging to it's self. They had a stance that they wouldnt leave until the conference was folding and stuck to it. But, any moron with a high school diploma knows that you make contingency plans. Anyone who thinks those schools didnt have back-up plans is an idiot.



You do realize that this actually aids my argument, not yours, right?

This year is the worst year for basketball in the history of the Big 12, without question. Texas, Oklahoma, Ok State, KU, K-State are all rebuilding in a major way. Not only is this a normal year for SEC basketball but probably an excellent year for the conference. The Big 12 almost always has 3 teams in the Top 10, that is commonplace for us. It's not a big deal. The SEC having 3 schools in the Top 10? That doesnt happen often. So, you are comparing an up year for the SEC to the worst year in the history of the Big 12 - kudos.

Go look at the last 10, 15 years and get back to me. The SEC is probably the worst basketball conference out of all the major conferences. Sports talk radio here in KC has ran numbers on it because the MU move has been probably the #1 topic of the last few months and there are numbers to back it up. I cannot even believe an SEC fan is trying to make a case for their conference being good in basketball.
You realize the last time a Big 12 school not named Kansas was in the championship game was 1988 right? The Big 12 is Kansas in terms of elite programs. The Big 12 isn't even close to the same conversation as the ACC or Big East.
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