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Old 01-03-2012, 12:22 PM
 
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Interesting article today on the SEC.

The real reason the SEC wins all those bowl games - ESPN
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Old 01-03-2012, 12:23 PM
 
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My issue with his statement is the idea that the level that they've been at over the past four or five years is the way they've been from 1998-2011, and that's just not true.

Bass was the one that said the Big 12 South had been the most competitive division "during the BCS era," I don't know how someone is supposed to interpret that other than meaning the years 1998-present since that's the time frame where we've had the BCS.

As far as the SEC lovefest, it will end when someone manages to beat them in the BCS title game, I guess that's why some are so mad about having an all SEC game since it guarantees that it will continue to next season. I don't expect the streak to continue more than another year or two.

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Old 01-03-2012, 12:34 PM
 
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As far as the SEC lovefest, it will end when someone manages to beat them in the BCS title game, I guess that's why some are so mad about having an all SEC game since it guarantees that it will continue to next season. I don't expect the streak to continue more than another year or two.
So it's basically jealous playa hating?

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My issue with his statement is the idea that the level that they've been at over the past four or five years is the way they've been from 1998-2011, and that's just not true.
Tennessee
Florida State*
Oklahoma
Miami*
Ohio State
LSU
USC
Texas
Florida
LSU
Florida
Alabama
Auburn
Alabama/LSU

That looks pretty dominant to me, bruh? One conference has won 8 of the 14 BCS title games. Then you have an additional two teams from Florida that might as well be considered SEC teams. That's 10 of 14 games where a team either came from the SEC and/or Florida.

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Old 01-03-2012, 12:50 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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My issue with his statement is the idea that the level that they've been at over the past four or five years is the way they've been from 1998-2011, and that's just not true.

Bass was the one that said the Big 12 South had been the most competitive division "during the BCS era," I don't know how someone is supposed to interpret that other than meaning the years 1998-present since that's the time frame where we've had the BCS.

As far as the SEC lovefest, it will end when someone manages to beat them in the BCS title game, I guess that's why some are so mad about having an all SEC game since it guarantees that it will continue to next season. I don't expect the streak to continue more than another year or two.
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I don't know how someone is supposed to interpret that other than meaning the years 1998-present since that's the time frame where we've had the BCS.
<<<<<

Again, a span of time---successive years---but not definite. If you and Skippy can't grasp this I don't know what else to tell you.

Let me try to restate: The Big 12 South has been the most dominant division (not only intra-division play, but based on its dominance in the conference at-large and the out-of conference schedule) in successive years from a non-specified point of inception to termination during the BCS era.

If you're really infatuated enough to trace this out (zzzzzzzzz) I would look at the rankings of the teams of the Big 12 South vs. SEC West and SEC East as well as overall record and quality of wins. I don't have that kind of time.

Cheers.

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Old 01-03-2012, 01:02 PM
 
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So it's basically jealous playa hating?



Tennessee
Florida State*
Oklahoma
Miami*
Ohio State
LSU
USC
Texas
Florida
LSU
Florida
Alabama
Auburn
Alabama/LSU

That looks pretty dominant to me, bruh? One conference has won 8 of the 14 BCS title games. Then you have an additional two teams from Florida that might as well be considered SEC teams. That's 10 of 14 games where a team either came from the SEC and/or Florida.
I agree with you, I should have been more specific about what I was referring to. I'm talking about this idea that the Big 12 South has been some kind of football powerhouse over the past 15 years that it's been in existence.

The fact that the Big 12 South has won the conference most of the time just gives ammo to the argument that the Big 12 hasn't been that competitive of a conference for a lot of its existence. They've been a lot better over the past four or five years, but don't say that it's always been that way because it hasn't.
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Old 01-03-2012, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I agree with you, I should have been more specific about what I was referring to. I'm talking about this idea that the Big 12 South has been some kind of football powerhouse over the past 15 years that it's been in existence.
Oh, I see. No, I would not consider the Big 12 to be a college football "powerhouse." I don't see how that could be the case when the SEC keeps winning championships year after year.
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Old 01-03-2012, 01:07 PM
 
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So it's basically jealous playa hating?



Tennessee
Florida State*
Oklahoma
Miami*
Ohio State
LSU
USC
Texas
Florida
LSU
Florida
Alabama
Auburn
Alabama/LSU

That looks pretty dominant to me, bruh? One conference has won 8 of the 14 BCS title games. Then you have an additional two teams from Florida that might as well be considered SEC teams. That's 10 of 14 games where a team either came from the SEC and/or Florida.
What's even scarier about this is that 12 of the 14 are from the South (if you consider Texas/OK associated with the South or at least tangentially derived from the South).

Oklahoma and Texas need the teams from the Mighty Midwest (Big 10) and the West Coast (PAC12) to step up and turn the tide of SEC dominance. It will happen, as I stated earlier, there is just too much tradition/athletes in other programs for it not to happen eventually. Hopefully SOONER (pun absolutely intended) than later.
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Old 01-03-2012, 01:14 PM
 
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I heard an interesting theory about the SEC's streak...basically it's due to their defensive focus. Defense is reactive, so it takes a lot less time to develop a quality defense. Offensive is way more complicated, and you have limits in college on practice and on players' time. Those limits really prevent teams from developing the sophisticated type of offense that it would take to be able to handle the best college defenses. The restrictions you have in college are always going to favor teams that focus on defense first.

It was just some talking point on one of the talk shows, but I think there is at least a grain of truth in it.
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Old 01-03-2012, 01:49 PM
 
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I heard an interesting theory about the SEC's streak...basically it's due to their defensive focus. Defense is reactive, so it takes a lot less time to develop a quality defense. Offensive is way more complicated, and you have limits in college on practice and on players' time. Those limits really prevent teams from developing the sophisticated type of offense that it would take to be able to handle the best college defenses. The restrictions you have in college are always going to favor teams that focus on defense first.

It was just some talking point on one of the talk shows, but I think there is at least a grain of truth in it.
that statement is completely the other way around. In other words Defense is more complicated and takes more time because you have to do the adjusting.... not the offense. That's why offenses have the advantage in rain or slick surfaces... they know where they are going. The offense is the same no matter who they play. If you are a spread... then you're a spread. If you are a pro style then you're pro-style. The defense is the one who changes their alignment and responsibilities based on what offenses do... so defense is much more difficult to coach, learn, and play!

Having said that the part about defense being the focus of the SEC as the reason for its success is true though. But the reason it is successful is because they put the BEST athletes on defense and the best coaches are on defense. It's the concentration... not the offense. The other conferences put their best coaches and best players on offense. And they recruit for that... the SEC recruits to put the best players on Defense. And they spend more time working on defense. That's why they are the best at it... To say defense is just easiery and takes less time is utterly ridiculous. If that's the case then everyone would be good at it.
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Old 01-03-2012, 02:48 PM
 
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So far in the bowl games, the whole south-central region is dominating. Teams from California/Arizona/Nevade are finished and didn't win a single game out of six.

But the schools from Texas/Oklahoma/Louisiana/Mississippi are 9-1, with SMU and LSU still to play. (I did not count the head-to-head match game, TCU over Louisiana Tech.)
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