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Old 01-24-2013, 05:39 PM
 
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I hear ya.

Looking down the corridor of time, however, the Big XII is pretty much guaranteeing that it will not be a conference in the future (in the next 20 yrs or so) if it chooses not to expand. While making more money now sounds great to the 10 members of the Big XII, eventually we're gonna get left in the dust if we don't expand at some point.....and if Bowlsby is reactive instead of proactive, we will really have to lower our standards to fill out the 12/14/16 team roster.

After the grant of rights runs its course, OU and Texas will be shopping around and the Big XII would go belly up for good. I would prefer to add teams now (like the other major conferences B1G/SEC/PAC) and at least get to 12 or 14. I'm not holding my breath though. The Big XII brass has shown its foolery on several occasions.
ACC aggressively expanded, and look at all the good it did them...

At 10 teams most Big 12 teams actually play each other. Remember like the way College football used to be.

If the conferences are going to expand to 16 teams and only play half of the teams in their own conference every year, they might as well just disband and copy the NFL, and have a similar playoff system.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Metro Birmingham, AL
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I hear ya.

Looking down the corridor of time, however, the Big XII is pretty much guaranteeing that it will not be a conference in the future (in the next 20 yrs or so) if it chooses not to expand. While making more money now sounds great to the 10 members of the Big XII, eventually we're gonna get left in the dust if we don't expand at some point.....and if Bowlsby is reactive instead of proactive, we will really have to lower our standards to fill out the 12/14/16 team roster.

After the grant of rights runs its course, OU and Texas will be shopping around and the Big XII would go belly up for good. I would prefer to add teams now (like the other major conferences B1G/SEC/PAC) and at least get to 12 or 14. I'm not holding my breath though. The Big XII brass has shown its foolery on several occasions.
SMU, Air Force, FSU, Clemson + existing members and there is your 14 team league Big 12.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:59 PM
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SMU, Air Force, FSU, Clemson + existing members and there is your 14 team league Big 12.
No SMOO.
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Fort Mill, SC
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FSU voted against the higher fee because it thought the increase was punitive. Maryland, otoh, already had plans to move at the time of the vote.
Exactly. He just doesn't get it. Our administrators/staff/coaching all have backed the ACC through all these rumors unlike Maryland did. The only people talking in our camp is a few boosters, none of them with any influence.

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ACC aggressively expanded, and look at all the good it did them...
1 team gone yet 4 gained. Plus the 3 gained from the first purge of the Big East. That is a net gain. As already stated, our commish isn't the best as it goes with negiotiating. But holding onto teams that long is telling...

The conference your team entered had a mass exodus. 4 out. 2 in. That is a net loss. Texas still has it's own network. The sad reality is if Texas left as independent and Oklahoma followed. The Big 12 would cripple. Most of those schools wouldn't be able to find a new home. Iowa St... hello.
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:07 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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ACC aggressively expanded, and look at all the good it did them...

At 10 teams most Big 12 teams actually play each other. Remember like the way College football used to be.

If the conferences are going to expand to 16 teams and only play half of the teams in their own conference every year, they might as well just disband and copy the NFL, and have a similar playoff system.
I don't like the expansion either, but it is what it is. The Big XII can either get with the program of the B1G/SEC and start expanding while there is still time or just get left in the dust. If the Big XII doesn't expand to the east, the West Virginia addition was a horrible mistake. (Should have been a double-add with Louisville from the start. Look how that turned out.)

After the grant of rights, the Big XII powers (Oklahoma/Texas), will simply jump ship and go to the PAC, which personally I cannot stomach such a ridiculous notion. The Big XII will not be a premier conference along with the PAC/B1G/SEC if Oklahoma/Texas are not on the roster. Simple as that. Bowlsby and the Big XII presidents better get with the program.
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:11 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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SMU, Air Force, FSU, Clemson + existing members and there is your 14 team league Big 12.
SMU/Air Force are nowhere near big enough to justify adding. They can't bring in the high revenue; FSU/Clemson absolutely can and should be added immediately.

If Bowlsby doesn't act quickly, however, the Big XII will have to settle for SMU/Rice/Air Force/Tulsa, et al.

I hope that is not what the Big XII becomes. OU/Texas have way too much tradition to be reduced to a league with members that bring so little revenue. We'll see what happens. I have exactly 0% faith in the Big XII leadership at this point. Hope they prove me wrong.
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Old 01-24-2013, 09:16 PM
 
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Exactly. He just doesn't get it. Our administrators/staff/coaching all have backed the ACC through all these rumors unlike Maryland did. The only people talking in our camp is a few boosters, none of them with any influence.


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You and the poster are the boosters who dont get it.

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1 team gone yet 4 gained. Plus the 3 gained from the first purge of the Big East. That is a net gain. As already stated, our commish isn't the best as it goes with negiotiating. But holding onto teams that long is telling...

The conference your team entered had a mass exodus. 4 out. 2 in. That is a net loss. Texas still has it's own network. The sad reality is if Texas left as independent and Oklahoma followed. The Big 12 would cripple. Most of those schools wouldn't be able to find a new home. Iowa St... hello
One so far, more will leave. You gained Lville, Pitt, and Syracuse nothing impressive there. The sad reality is the ACC is a weak conference that will be raided. I admit the Big 12 is not the strongest conference, but it is way more stable than the ACC right now, and ACC teams have begged the Big 12 to let them in.
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Old 01-25-2013, 05:10 PM
 
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Big 12 exploring alliance with ACC, two other leagues | www.statesman.com
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Old 01-25-2013, 05:53 PM
 
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Kinda vague, but this sounds kinda promising. While I really dont care about the ACC once all the good teams are raided, the SEC, B1G, and PAC might turn on the Big 12. If the ACC and Big 12 could come up with a plan to secure themselves that is good. I would be strongly against sharing revenue with the ACC though since the Big 12 would be putting the ACC on welfare.
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Old 01-25-2013, 06:18 PM
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*sigh*

Just get FSU and Clemson already.
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