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Old 11-13-2012, 10:09 AM
 
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Stats are fun and useful. Eventually though when two teams line up to play, matchups matter a lot.

I have a theory about Texas A&M this year and their games against Florida, LSU, and Alabama. A&M has started very fast just about every game. I think that the combination of a the hurry up with Manziel's speed, causes big problems for teams. They have no one on their scout team to practice against like Manziel. But each of these teams adjusted through the game, and slowed the A&M offense down in the second half. They have very good defenses and the players themselves probably adjusted to the A&M offense. This is an example of how a very good defense can turn a game around against a very good offense. Alabama was too slow adjusting, and A&M's defense played well overall, especially against the run. A&M even missed an EP and FG. If A&M played defense like West Virginia, they'd be dead because the fast start wouldn't be enough.
Aaahhh...another person who makes sense. Thx for your intelligence. Kinda hard to talk to people around here sometimes. Many don't have a clue what they are talking about, don't have english comprehension and some even intentionally get off subject...immediately after asking why others are off subject. Please! If you know anymore intelligent people.send them to this forum!

Seriously...I appreciate your post.
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:26 AM
 
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Here's a good test. Lets see what our two teams do against their opponents with statistical comparison. The first number is offense and second is defense.
Oregon vs Stanford
3/46 ... 84/17

Kansas State vs Baylor
47/34 ... 2/120

I'll predict both Oregon and K - State wins.
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Old 11-13-2012, 11:12 AM
 
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Why would you say "my" logic? I didn't come up with that saying...and im sure im not misinterpreting it. My logic is balance and teamwork win championships, and of course there are
No, you are trying to refute the adage by using incredibly faulty arguments. The problem with lining up those NCAA rankings in offense and defense is that they are useless when comparing to teams in a different part of the country with completely different styles of play.

Prior to the championship game, I remember having conversations with Oregon fans just like you. "Defense doesn't matter. We'll just outscore you guys." Yet Oregon ran into a very physical and fast Auburn defensive front that, philosophically, was more than prepared to deal with the Ducks' style of attack. So, yeah, Oregon feasted on west coast defenses that year. But when the rubber met the road in the championship game, the Oregon offensive game was disrupted all night long.

In that sense, defense did indeed win the championship. And Auburn's overall unit ranking had little to do with that fact.

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Old 11-13-2012, 12:04 PM
 
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Your Freakin awesome and im so unworthy of your presence here. Haha good stiff my friend. Perfect. Right at the beginning. There's alot of facts we can draw from that. It presents a balance from first glance as if the average number is like ...over ten im sure. Sure, its no surprise that at least five were top five, but clearly this belief is a fable. Once again something that someone throws in my face but can't be backed up.
What's a fable? Only 3 of those teams were out of the top 20 and only ONE was out of the top 23! You realize over 120 teams play in the FBS so it's a quite an accomplishment to finish in the top 20. Elite defense have a history of slowing down explosive offenses.

I have a better question for you:

What history does a team like Oregon, all offense and no defense, have of winning championships? Please share this...I won't hold my breath.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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Statistics are fun but there are so many other factors. Like what if a team has been playing 1st 2nd and 3rd string in most of second half - Oregon? That changes everything and of course the numbers would have been higher...but they would sacrifice depth for a statistical number - status quo.
Here's another factor:
Strength of schedule. Oregon doesn't have it, yet. You have played 8 bad teams, 1 decent team, and 1 good team. That one good team hung 51 points and 600 yards of offense on you. You've also played 0 defenses in the top 20.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:17 PM
 
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No, you are trying to refute the adage by using incredibly faulty arguments. The problem with lining up those NCAA rankings in offense and defense is that they are useless when comparing to teams in a different part of the country with completely different styles of play.

Prior to the championship game, I remember having conversations with Oregon fans just like you. "Defense doesn't matter. We'll just outscore you guys." Yet Oregon ran into a very physical and fast Auburn defensive front that, philosophically, was more than prepared to deal with the Ducks' style of attack. So, yeah, Oregon feasted on west coast defenses that year. But when the rubber met the road in the championship game, the Oregon offensive game was disrupted all night long.

In that sense, defense did indeed win the championship. And Auburn's overall unit ranking had little to do with that fact.
Good post. Something that I don't think fans of the "go go go" explosive offenses realize is that it's much easier for a decent defense to game plan for an offense than vice versa. Teams like Oregon run intricate offenses that require speed and precision. A defense that can somewhat match the speed and disrupt the timing of the offense can send that Ferrari offense off the road. Elite defenses, not the Charmin defenses that play on the Pacific coast, can't simply be ran around...you must go through them and that's not easy. Defense travels well whereas offense typically doesn't.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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Here's another factor:
Strength of schedule. Oregon doesn't have it, yet. You have played 8 bad teams, 1 decent team, and 1 good team. That one good team hung 51 points and 600 yards of offense on you. You've also played 0 defenses in the top 20.
Riddle me this. Just answer this with another intelligent answer as your last couple of posts and I may even agree with you.

How will you explain it if we win the National Championship? Lets say it will be against Notre Dame, a good defense. Because I'm sure were going to win it regardless of who it is. Your giving the impression that they can't and if they do they really arent a good team. That's a blind philosophy.

And what's your prediction on this Stanford game? Their defense is 17. Hunh? Now's you're chance! We get around fifty and they get 10.

Oh you'll pull some Pac 12 defense card probably right?
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:02 PM
 
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Notre Dame will get Sanduskied by the Ducks. Only a SEC team could slow Oregon down.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:13 PM
 
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Fact is that the defenses of the PAC-12 are soft, Stanford has is #1 in the PAC-12 in total defense, but rank 17th nationally, which isnt bad, but it goes downhill from there. If Oregon (ranked #3 in total offense) makes it to the BCS title game of the four likely teams it will face, their ranks in total defense are.....

Kansas State #36
Notre Dame #10
Alabama #2
Georgia #42

Oregon is ranked #46 in total defense. The four likely teams it would face if they make to the BCS title game, their national rankings in total offense

Kansas State #42
Notre Dame #61
Alabama #44
Georgia # 22
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:16 PM
 
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Notre Dame will get Sanduskied by the Ducks. Only a SEC team could slow Oregon down.
Wow. So would you say that means a high ranked defense isn't a high ranked defense unless its SEC? Cause that's what I just heard. Or its more about the matchup? Please make sense out of that.
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