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Old 08-31-2013, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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......about A&M asking Manziel to fly around the country to 20G a plate A&M alum dinners, then that gives a lot of ammunition to folk who want college athletes to get paid.
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Old 08-31-2013, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Fort Mill, SC
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......about A&M asking Manziel to fly around the country to 20G a plate A&M alum dinners, then that gives a lot of ammunition to folk who want college athletes to get paid.
It is still his choice. If he didn't like it, he could transfer.

The argument can even go further to High School. They are milking it now with ESPN coverage. Maybe they should get some funds too (even though Lebron got his )...

Wasn't the originally intent to go to college was to gain an education... They get tuition paid for, books paid for, lodging paid for, food paid for, and even some get post-graduates paid for. For those that don't think that is much, ask all those people still paying their student loans 10+ years later.

Again, players know what they are doing when they sign up.
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Old 08-31-2013, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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It is still his choice. If he didn't like it, he could transfer.

The argument can even go further to High School. They are milking it now with ESPN coverage. Maybe they should get some funds too (even though Lebron got his )...

Wasn't the originally intent to go to college was to gain an education... They get tuition paid for, books paid for, lodging paid for, food paid for, and even some get post-graduates paid for. For those that don't think that is much, ask all those people still paying their student loans 10+ years later.

Again, players know what they are doing when they sign up.
Practice time taking away from your studies is one thing. Having to fly around the country to satisfy A&M alum who pay 20G's a plate to sit next to you is another. I don't know if ANY athlete was expecting that part of the deal!

Scenario: Your the administration of A&M. It's Finals week! But a Los Angeles A&M alum dinner is being held that week (that's after Heisman Weekend, which is in NY!). Would you send him?
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Old 08-31-2013, 08:30 PM
 
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A lot of college athletes already do get paid. They get either full, or partial scholarships while almost everyone else has to pay their way through school.

No big time sports school is ever going to hold their student athletes to strict standards and they will use them in anyway they see fit to improve their institution.

College sports has blown up into something where money and exposure is everything. The NCAA is a joke of an organization. Think how much college football and basketball has changed in say the last 12-15 years.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:31 PM
 
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A scholarship isn't money. To say that it is payment is a bad argument.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Sale Creek, TN
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A scholarship isn't money. To say that it is payment is a bad argument.
You're right, it isn't money, but it is a form of payment. They have access to an education, which could provide for them and their families. You play sports for the university and they give the access to an education.
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Old 09-01-2013, 12:22 AM
 
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You and I both know those guys aren't at universities for schooling. They're there to win football games.

And what kind of education are these kids getting when coaches control what classes they take and majors they partake in?

Studies have shown that taking in account practice and games, being an athlete is a full-time job.

Additionally, scholarships are one-year contracts that can be revoked for any reason at the descrection of the coach.

And we're, the over zealous college football fan, is part of this issue, too.

Our unhealthy interest in these sports, and the young men who participate, is the reason Manziel behaves in such a manner (which I don't have a problem with to a degree)
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Old 09-01-2013, 12:40 AM
 
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You're right, it isn't money, but it is a form of payment. They have access to an education, which could provide for them and their families. You play sports for the university and they give the access to an education.
That's a good way to put it. Them receiving a free, or mostly free education is a form of payment.

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You and I both know those guys aren't at universities for schooling. They're there to win football games.

And what kind of education are these kids getting when coaches control what classes they take and majors they partake in?

Studies have shown that taking in account practice and games, being an athlete is a full-time job.

Additionally, scholarships are one-year contracts that can be revoked for any reason at the descrection of the coach.

And we're, the over zealous college football fan, is part of this issue, too.

Our unhealthy interest in these sports, and the young men who participate, is the reason Manziel behaves in such a manner (which I don't have a problem with to a degree)
The smart players get their education. Most of these players will not make it to the Pros and for the ones that do make it there's no guarantee they'll have a successful career. So many players have short careers due to injury or not being able to perform well enough for teams to keep signing them. What do they have to fall back on at that point?

Unless a player does something completely stupid, or it's a less important player, a coach is not going to pull the scholarship of a premiere player. Heck look at how Les Miles has handled the Jeremy Hill situation.
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Old 09-01-2013, 10:26 AM
 
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Why don't we pay the coaches in education?
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