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Old 11-30-2013, 03:21 AM
 
Location: Hoover, Alabama
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Good chance Ohio State loses to Michigan State, which would put Auburn in the #2 spot behind Florida State if they beat Mizzou.
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Old 11-30-2013, 05:22 AM
 
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Huge Buckeye fan here.

Strength of Schedule(SOS), conference alignment and voting are major flaws of College Football, so much so, that we sincerely have to discuss the possibility of Auburn jumping OSU. Yes, I agree that Auburn has a tougher schedule so I understand the plausible scenario. Concurrently, I think Boise State, NIU, Fresno State's of the world should not be given preferential treatment because of being undefeated with a weak SOS...OSU is not at that level. Finally, voting is impacted by the human factor. With that said, under the current system, if Auburn wins out, I would say OSU still gets the node if the Buckeyes wins out...because they would be undefeated.

To be frank, I have grown tired of these discussions. I love the fact that the NFL lets the teams play it out versus factors like voting and SOS. Next year is a start to correcting those flaws. I cannot wait. Yes, this might be a humbling experience for the Big Ten...or maybe for the SEC...we will find out in 2014.
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Old 11-30-2013, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Arizona!
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I don't believe you would ever see a 1-loss team ahead of an undefeated from one of the 5 major conferences (pac12/b10/b12/acc/sec) in the BCS rankings. The BCS is 1/3 computers and 2/3 humans and even if some of the computer rankings put the 1-loss team over the undefeated team, you won't have enough human voters do it to make it flip in the final BCS ranks.
Of course the point will be moot after this year anyways...

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If Auburn wins out they are in the title game. Not sure if they beat Bama and lose to Mizzou.
uhh, no.
I've quoted my previous post for your reference. If Auburn wins out they still need help from either an FSU or OSU opponent to get into the #2 slot. It's just the way the math works.

Frankly I don't see either happening- OSU is rolling better than they have all season. They certainly should dismantle UM.. MSU next week might be a challenge.

I will be rooting for Auburn today though! WAR EAGLE!!!!
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Old 11-30-2013, 08:18 AM
 
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I don't believe you would ever see a 1-loss team ahead of an undefeated from one of the 5 major conferences (pac12/b10/b12/acc/sec) in the BCS rankings. The BCS is 1/3 computers and 2/3 humans and even if some of the computer rankings put the 1-loss team over the undefeated team, you won't have enough human voters do it to make it flip in the final BCS ranks.
Of course the point will be moot after this year anyways...
I'm really, really not trying to be a bomb thrower here. But to me, given the current state of the Big10, when does it stop being a major conference, and start being considered an also-ran? To be absolutely fair, Florida, Tennessee, and Arkansas stink this year. But with TAMU and Missouri added to the mix and a resurgent Vanderbilt, there are plenty of good teams. Same thing with the Pac10. Yet when we look at the Big10, there's OSU, Michigan State, Wisconsin, and.... The sad decline of Michigan, Nebraska, Penn State, et al, has really lowered the overall standing of the conference.

Pac-12 remains a strong No. 2 in college football conference rankings - ESPN

So while a rising tide lifts all boats, a ebb tide lowers them. While OSU has a great coach in Meyer and obvious talent, there has been no real way to judge the Buckeyes in terms of playing quality teams. Call it the Oregon effect. Oregon flogged seriously inferior competition all season long, but melted away when they actually encountered a team with a defensive line. Likewise, Ohio State hasn't had a test outside of Wisconsin in what has been a seriously depleted conference.
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Old 11-30-2013, 03:11 PM
 
Location: On the Edge of the Fringe
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No, what will happen is the usual. Ohio State and FSU both finish undefeated, then ALABAMA meets either AUBURN or MIZZU in the National Championship. It is in the NCAA rulebook that , Section 45, Paragraph 5d It says
"An SEC team must always be represented in the National Championship. Should two or more teams finish undefeated outside of the SEC, then two SEC teams will meet to decide the National Championship"

It is the SECs way of making sure that they always look good.
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Old 11-30-2013, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Birmingham
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No, what will happen is the usual. Ohio State and FSU both finish undefeated, then ALABAMA meets either AUBURN or MIZZU in the National Championship. It is in the NCAA rulebook that , Section 45, Paragraph 5d It says
"An SEC team must always be represented in the National Championship. Should two or more teams finish undefeated outside of the SEC, then two SEC teams will meet to decide the National Championship"

It is the SECs way of making sure that they always look good.
Non-SEC fan tears are tasty...
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Old 11-30-2013, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Arizona!
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No, what will happen is the usual. Ohio State and FSU both finish undefeated, then ALABAMA meets either AUBURN or MIZZU in the National Championship. It is in the NCAA rulebook that , Section 45, Paragraph 5d It says
"An SEC team must always be represented in the National Championship. Should two or more teams finish undefeated outside of the SEC, then two SEC teams will meet to decide the National Championship"

It is the SECs way of making sure that they always look good.
lol
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Old 11-30-2013, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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Simply incredible! What a game!! Congrats to Auburn.
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Old 11-30-2013, 05:36 PM
 
Location: The "Rock"
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Simply incredible! What a game!! Congrats to Auburn.
Period... Will not be a better game all year.

That was just amazing!!!

Congrats to Auburn!
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Old 11-30-2013, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I say yes. OSU struggled mightily against a team that lost to Connecticut and a castrated Penn State.
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