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Old 12-01-2013, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Rio
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College needs a playoff system.

Cut the lowest rank to 24 (24 teams) then it'll be 12 games

Next round

12 teams and 6 games,

Next round

6 teams and 3 games....

Next round

3 teams left, the top team gets a bye week while the bottom 2 battle to play them. (or it can be a lottery on who gets the bye week to increase suspense)

Then the title game

...All this 1 and 2 seed then everyone else in bowl games is meaningless when they can have playoffs.
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Old 12-04-2013, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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i would think any play off system should be built on powers of 2. Currently we have 2. Next year we have 4. That leaves 8, 16, 32, etc.

The best number, IMHO, is 8: big enough that every team deserving of the national championship is included as well, small enough to retain exclusivity (and on this one, we have to view the difference between NCAA football and basketball….March Madness is a tournament, pure and simple, the nature of the game allowing for such to be scheduled and played; anyone can make it to the game. NCAA football, on the other hand, is built around exclusivity. It must have a small, select, highly talented and accomplished field, but it also needs enough slots that nobody is left out: thus 8)

If I had my way, NCAA football would be built around 8 conferences (12 teams per conference), placed coast to coast to reflect all regions of the nation (while dumping what I consider a true flaw in the modern game: overlapping "footprints" to have conferences that no longer have any geographic integrity). Those 8 conferences would automatically have their champion go to the 8 team tournament (no wild cards: win you conference championship and you are invited).

I don't have a prayer in hell of seeing this happen.
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Old 12-04-2013, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Arizona!
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One of the major problems with expanding beyond 4 is logistics.

For bowl games as they exist now, teams have 3-4 weeks notice as to where & when they're going. There is plenty of time for travel arrangements for the fans and the team. Teams typically send over 150 people counting players, staff, etc., and then there's thousands of fans that travel to the big bowl games.

If you only have a week's notice on where you're going next weekend, it presents a challenge to everyone to get flights and hotels booked. Next year 2 teams will face that situation with the 4-team playoff. To go to an 8 team playoff you'd have 4 teams that had to do it, and then 2 of those that have to travel 3 weeks in a row.

That could get very costly especially for the fans. Most will certainly not be able to travel to 2 playoff games in a row, let alone 3. They will have to decide which one they want to go to- do they go to the early round? or wait to try to see the championship game and risk not getting to go to any game if their team loses.

So as nice as it would be for us to say, hey lets just use various bowl games as playoff tiers, and make an 8 or 16 team bracket out of it, it's just not quite that simple.

I think if it does ever expand to 8, it will be using some sort of early December games (eg in place of conference championships) as the first bracket level, so you get down to 4 going into the Jan bowls.

But the problem with that idea is these conferences are all separate organizations, and $$ drives everything in sports, and any one conference that feels that some 'new way' will generate less $$ than the status quo will nix any proposed change like that.

The ideal thing would be if the conferences themselves evolved into 4 major conferences, with 4 divisions each containing 7 or 8 teams. They could play divisional and conference championships in the first 2 dec weekends to get from 16 division winners down to 4, and then have the 4 teams play in 2 jan 1 bowl games and then the winners play in a championship game a week or two later.

But again, tradition and $$$ will keep that from happening.

At least beginning next year we can look forward to arguments about who's number 4 instead of who's number 2!
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Old 12-04-2013, 10:18 PM
 
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^^^

The extended playoff format works quite well for FCS, Division II and Division III championships.
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Old 12-05-2013, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Arizona!
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True, but-

A) All of those bracket games except the final are home games for one team or the other, not bowls or neutral sites where both teams have to travel thousands of miles.
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B) FCS & div 2/3 do not have anywhere near the kind of following that the FBS schools have. Heck most of those D2 stadiums only seat a few thousand. Some of them aren't much bigger than high school stadiums. The D2 championship game stadium this year only holds 14k. The FCS are a bit bigger, with attendance sometimes breaking 10k. The FCS championship game stadium only holds 20k.

So yes, they can make it work at those levels, but unfortunately it's a whole different ballgame (literally) at the FBS level.
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:59 AM
 
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So yes, they can make it work at those levels, but unfortunately it's a whole different ballgame (literally) at the FBS level.
The major difference between the divisions is this. In the lower divisions, all members are treated fairly equally.

In FBS, the "major" conferences want to set up the system so that a small number of schools capture the lion's share of the revenues
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Arizona!
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Yes, you've hit on the other big hitch to a major change to the postseason structure- $$$.

These FBS schools capture that revenue because they can. In the lower divisions no one school really has much economic power over the others. In the FBS, the money flows in much greater volume to the schools that are good. Become a top 10 team every year and you get paid off big time from tv revenue & merchandising. It's the fans that drive that spending.

I don't think that a playoff bracket would *necessarily* change that, but it's a big wrinkle to the status quo, and schools who are big earners in today's world would have to believe that they'd continue to be able to earn big under any other structure.
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Old 12-05-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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Teams also want to join divisions to maximize revenue. Membership is not based off academics, or even football ability, but rather what they add to the bottom line of the conference and in turn teams join conferences to make more money.
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