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Old 07-12-2014, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Calera, AL
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thoughts? What's holding them back? Aside from sanctions. They fell of HARD after Coker left. They haven't won a bowl game since 06( with Coker and they were ineligible in 2012). They need to get that Schnellenberger/Johnson attitude back and bring back the " State of Miami" recruiting scheme. What is this team missing?
They arguably fell off the map BECAUSE of Coker. He rode the coat-tails of Butch Davis' whoppers of recruiting classes, and Davis bailed just before they came to fruition. Enter Coker, who won a championship his first year. But then again, you or I could guide the 2001 Canes to a national title, they were just that loaded. Coker is a decent coach, but couldn't quite recruit like Davis (who is a masterful recruiter, but sanctions seem to follow him wherever he goes, which is why he's rarely in one place for too long). Eventually, his average (relative) recruiting caught up to him, and he got the axe. Shannon was more or less the same thing - nice guy, okay coach and okay recruiter, but couldn't maintain the momentum, and he got the boot before too long as well. Golden seems to have Miami back on the upswing, and there's a bit more promise than there was a few seasons ago, but he has yet to even capture an ACC divisional title. He probably has a couple more whacks of at least attaining that before getting the ol' heave-ho. If Miami had a larger, hungrier, and more vocal fan base, his seat would be blazing. He's actually pretty fortunate that for a storied program, the pressure's not nearly as high as it is at other powerhouses.

Interestingly, Coker is having some success at upstart UT-San Antonio, where being a hotshot recruiter isn't a requirement to succeed (hey, it's not like CUSA is the SEC)
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Old 07-30-2014, 01:15 PM
 
Location: georgia
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Having to recruit against FSU and Florida- it will be very tough. Also, the half empty stadium dosn't help.
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Old 08-04-2014, 02:56 AM
 
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I dont see it for a long while as most good players will avoid the problems created by certain players who went too far in their behavior etc.

Any good solid recruit would head to FSU or Florida and not Miami.

If they are from the Miami area and dont want to stay in Florida I can see a very good player heading to Alabama, LSU or maybe SC.
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Old 08-08-2014, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Because of the past problems it will certainly take awhile, but like anything else, things change and there is no reason they will not, eventually be able to turn the program back around. Yes, they do have to compete for players with FSU and U of F. but look at other teams, in other conferences that have faced the same thing and come out with good teams in the end. WE are facing the same problems with AR, still I know sooner or later we will be back in the top 25..It might be a year, 5 years or even 10, but it will happen.
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Old 08-19-2014, 08:40 AM
 
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1.)their facilities are terrible

2.)their stadium is not close to campus; not to mention it's usually half empty

3.)they are a small private school, so they just don't generate the same funds that a bigger program does, especially with a tiny alumni base

recruiting is not nearly as localized as it used to be, high school kids these days weren't around to see the "U" at their best, they could give 2 s**** about that tradition... the days of Miami keeping all that local talent is a thing of the past, other quality programs are coming down here and poaching good players at will
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Old 08-30-2014, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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1.)their facilities are terrible
They just opened up the $16 million Schwartz Center for Athletic Excellence plus another 7 million for the indoor practice field, 4 recovery pools and a new dinning center.

Miami facilities in midst of upgrades - NCF Nation Blog - ESPN



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2.)their stadium is not close to campus; not to mention it's usually half empty
True! I cannot deny this, they tear down the old OB and it's never been the same. However the new sun life stadium should increase attendance but it won't be OB levels.




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3.)they are a small private school, so they just don't generate the same funds that a bigger program does, especially with a tiny alumni base
Again true but with their huge celebrity alumni they should have no excuse for lack of big donors since what they lack in amount of donors they excel in having many big time donors.

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recruiting is not nearly as localized as it used to be, high school kids these days weren't around to see the "U" at their best, they could give 2 s**** about that tradition... the days of Miami keeping all that local talent is a thing of the past, other quality programs are coming down here and poaching good players at will
Not true, these kids know what The U is all about and is the big reason why Miami had the #1 class in 2008 and #8 in 2013 with a lot of the kids stating that "it's time to come home". Keeping local talent is not a thing of the past just look at the recruiting rolls while Al Golden has been at the helm. Miami has had a Top 25 class for the last 20+ years with a few years ranked in the 30's. It's never been a bad recruiting school.

Currently Miami has the #5 Class!

It's also hard to be a top 5 team when Miami consistently plays a non-conf schedule, this year 2 patsy's and Nebraska and Cincy.

Just compare Miami's Schedule vs Wisconsin's, then you will see how Wisconsin racks up 10/11 win seasons and is only ranked 15th every year. One of these years, one of these Top 10 classes is going to hit!
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Old 08-31-2014, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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thoughts? What's holding them back? Aside from sanctions. They fell of HARD after Coker left. They haven't won a bowl game since 06( with Coker and they were ineligible in 2012). They need to get that Schnellenberger/Johnson attitude back and bring back the " State of Miami" recruiting scheme. What is this team missing?
To answer the original thread (before looking at all the others).....

1. Late 90s-2000s sanctions
2. Everyone else recruiting in the "State of Miami"
3. South Florida kids know they have other options
4. Changing general recruiting landscape (linked to 2 and 3)
5. Quality of players these days, even in the "State of Miami"

Those three are factors are the main reason Da U is not like it was during the 80s. To explain 5, an example: How can a 2014 "State of Miami" match an era of a Russell Maryland, Cortez Kennedy and Jerome Brown, all at one position?
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Old 09-06-2014, 05:49 AM
 
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thoughts? What's holding them back? Aside from sanctions. They fell of HARD after Coker left. They haven't won a bowl game since 06( with Coker and they were ineligible in 2012). They need to get that Schnellenberger/Johnson attitude back and bring back the " State of Miami" recruiting scheme. What is this team missing?
They could if they hire the right coach. They have all the talent they need in FL. Coker won with Davis's players. Maybe should hire him again.
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