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Old 09-26-2014, 10:35 AM
 
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....for a while now in the Big XII.

Interesting article. Discuss.

The Changing Identity of the SEC | Bleacher Report
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Old 09-26-2014, 04:45 PM
 
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Well, Im not up to speed on the SEC but there's some truth to it for sure. First thing I think of is the addition of Texas A&M, as well as them beating Alabama. I never did completely buy into the defense wins championship thing anyway. For a short time I almost did. Defense is important but to say defense is more important than offense doesn't make sense to me. What makes sense is offense is just as important as defense.

I know I may not have touched on the main points but that's what I thought about first.

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Old 09-26-2014, 05:18 PM
 
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My only quarrel with that article is the "three yards and a cloud of dust" comment - that belonged to the Big 10. The SEC, even when it was run heavy, was much faster than the Big 10 - who was comparatively slow. The SEC had powerful backs, but they always had athletes with spectacular speed.

Funny thing about the Big12 is that Texas never moved up tempo. Zone read team of Vince Young and the sideways game of Colt McCoy. They slowed down under Strong. I don't see them changing drastically even with a better QB.

Kansas State will probably never change from its run option style. TCU will be defense first, even though they show signs of a more wide open offense.
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Old 09-28-2014, 11:18 AM
 
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....for a while now in the Big XII.

Interesting article. Discuss.

The Changing Identity of the SEC | Bleacher Report
I'm really trying to figure out what the big deal is here. SEC teams have adapted. Who cares?
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Old 09-28-2014, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Well, Im not up to speed on the SEC but there's some truth to it for sure. First thing I think of is the addition of Texas A&M, as well as them beating Alabama. I never did completely buy into the defense wins championship thing anyway. For a short time I almost did. Defense is important but to say defense is more important than offense doesn't make sense to me. What makes sense is offense is just as important as defense.

I know I may not have touched on the main points but that's what I thought about first.
The SEC did not add Texas AM because of their offense, they did it because they are one of the largest fan bases in the nation in one of the biggest states in the nation.

The SEC wanted the Texas Media Markets, not the Texas AM offense.

Also, Oklahoma beating Alabama is no more of a Statement than any other 2 highly ranked college football teams playing each other.

Because if you did want to play that game... the SEC has dominated the Big 12(does not include 2014 games)

2013

OSU 21, Mississippi State 3, at Houston

LSU 37, TCU 27, at Arlington

Ole Miss 44, Texas 23, at Texas

2012

Texas 66, Ole Miss 31, at Ole Miss

Texas A&M 41, OU 13, Cotton Bowl

2011

Arkansas 42, Texas A&M 38, at Arlington

Arkansas 29, Kansas State 16, Cotton Bowl

2010

Arkansas 24, Texas A&M 17, at Arlington

Colorado 29, Georgia 27, at Colorado

LSU 41, Texas A&M 24, Cotton Bowl

2009

OSU 24, Georgia 10, at OSU

Arkansas 47, Texas A&M 19, at Arlington

Georgia 44, Texas A&M 20, Independence Bowl

Ole Miss 21, OSU 7, Cotton Bowl

Alabama 37, Texas 21, BCS title game

2008

Texas 52, Arkansas 10, at Texas

Ole Miss 47, Texas Tech 34, Cotton Bowl

Florida 24, OU 14, BCS title game

2007

Georgia 35, OSU 14, at Georgia

Auburn 23, Kansas State 13, at Auburn

Missouri 38, Ole Miss 25, at Ole Miss

Alabama 30, Colorado 24, Independence Bowl

Missouri 38, Arkansas 7, Cotton Bowl

2006

Missouri 34, Ole Miss 7, at Ole Miss

Georgia 14, Colorado 13, at Georgia

OSU 34, Alabama 31, Independence Bowl

Auburn 17, Nebraska 14, Cotton Bowl

2005

Missouri 38, South Carolina 31, Independence Bowl

Alabama 13, Texas Tech 10, Cotton Bowl

2004

Texas 22, Arkansas 20, at Arkansas

Tennessee 38, Texas A&M 7, Cotton Bowl

2003

OU 20, Alabama 13, at Alabama

Arkansas 38, Texas 28, at Texas

Texas 49, Ole Miss 45, at Ole Miss

Arkansas 27, Missouri 14, Independence Bowl

Ole Miss 31, OSU 28, Cotton Bowl

LSU 21, OU 14, Sugar Bowl
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Old 09-28-2014, 06:18 PM
 
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Growing up a Big Ten and a Ohio St fan now living in the south I can tell you for the last 10-15 years the SEC by far has been the best conference overall with no comparisons anywhere.

Looking back at the teams such as LSU, Florida, Alabama, Auburn and players from places like Arkansas, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia have added quality players to the NFL no league had a much talent, speed, power, fans etc as the SEC. And this is coming from someone who feels had John Cooper and Jim Tressel had not been so darn conservative and played like the SEC teams Ohio St could have easily had 3-4 more rings. They had the players, speed etc but these two wanted 3-4 yards while the more exciting SEC teams put players on the field to play, not just hand the ball of and hope they get a first down.

The SEC has the most players in the NFL currently and have 7 teams with the most players playing in the NFL right now with LSU leading the pack of SEC teams with 56 players. Only USC has more players then LSU. Ohio St has 53 and the Big 10 has many of the top teams with NFL players currently playing.

B10 haters and SEC haters cannot ignore the fact of the BCS championship, Heismans, NFL players these two conferences have. Pac 10 and all others are left in the dust with facts.

LSU 57
Alabama 54
Georgia 48
Florida 47
Tennessee 40
South Carolina 39
Texas A& M 36
Arkansas 30

Go to an SEC game, you will be amazed at the football atmosphere. Growing up going to Ohio St I did not think anything could touch those games but getting to go to games to see LSU-Florida-South Carolina-Georgia it is the best football atmosphere you will ever witness.
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Old 09-29-2014, 01:37 AM
 
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The SEC did not add Texas AM because of their offense, they did it because they are one of the largest fan bases in the nation in one of the biggest states in the nation.

The SEC wanted the Texas Media Markets, not the Texas AM offense.

Also, Oklahoma beating Alabama is no more of a Statement than any other 2 highly ranked college football teams playing each other.

Because if you did want to play that game... the SEC has dominated the Big 12(does not include 2014 games)

2013

OSU 21, Mississippi State 3, at Houston

LSU 37, TCU 27, at Arlington

Ole Miss 44, Texas 23, at Texas

2012

Texas 66, Ole Miss 31, at Ole Miss

Texas A&M 41, OU 13, Cotton Bowl

2011

Arkansas 42, Texas A&M 38, at Arlington

Arkansas 29, Kansas State 16, Cotton Bowl

2010

Arkansas 24, Texas A&M 17, at Arlington

Colorado 29, Georgia 27, at Colorado

LSU 41, Texas A&M 24, Cotton Bowl

2009

OSU 24, Georgia 10, at OSU

Arkansas 47, Texas A&M 19, at Arlington

Georgia 44, Texas A&M 20, Independence Bowl

Ole Miss 21, OSU 7, Cotton Bowl

Alabama 37, Texas 21, BCS title game

2008

Texas 52, Arkansas 10, at Texas

Ole Miss 47, Texas Tech 34, Cotton Bowl

Florida 24, OU 14, BCS title game

2007

Georgia 35, OSU 14, at Georgia

Auburn 23, Kansas State 13, at Auburn

Missouri 38, Ole Miss 25, at Ole Miss

Alabama 30, Colorado 24, Independence Bowl

Missouri 38, Arkansas 7, Cotton Bowl

2006

Missouri 34, Ole Miss 7, at Ole Miss

Georgia 14, Colorado 13, at Georgia

OSU 34, Alabama 31, Independence Bowl

Auburn 17, Nebraska 14, Cotton Bowl

2005

Missouri 38, South Carolina 31, Independence Bowl

Alabama 13, Texas Tech 10, Cotton Bowl

2004

Texas 22, Arkansas 20, at Arkansas

Tennessee 38, Texas A&M 7, Cotton Bowl

2003

OU 20, Alabama 13, at Alabama

Arkansas 38, Texas 28, at Texas

Texas 49, Ole Miss 45, at Ole Miss

Arkansas 27, Missouri 14, Independence Bowl

Ole Miss 31, OSU 28, Cotton Bowl

LSU 21, OU 14, Sugar Bowl
The Sooners have a dominant winning percentage all-time against SEC teams.

Throw in old A&M and Mizzwho foes and it gets ugly fast, Pardner.
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Old 09-29-2014, 01:40 AM
 
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The SEC did not add Texas AM because of their offense, they did it because they are one of the largest fan bases in the nation in one of the biggest states in the nation.

The SEC wanted the Texas Media Markets, not the Texas AM offense.

Also, Oklahoma beating Alabama is no more of a Statement than any other 2 highly ranked college football teams playing each other.

Because if you did want to play that game... the SEC has dominated the Big 12(does not include 2014 games)

2013

OSU 21, Mississippi State 3, at Houston

LSU 37, TCU 27, at Arlington

Ole Miss 44, Texas 23, at Texas

2012

Texas 66, Ole Miss 31, at Ole Miss

Texas A&M 41, OU 13, Cotton Bowl

2011

Arkansas 42, Texas A&M 38, at Arlington

Arkansas 29, Kansas State 16, Cotton Bowl

2010

Arkansas 24, Texas A&M 17, at Arlington

Colorado 29, Georgia 27, at Colorado

LSU 41, Texas A&M 24, Cotton Bowl

2009

OSU 24, Georgia 10, at OSU

Arkansas 47, Texas A&M 19, at Arlington

Georgia 44, Texas A&M 20, Independence Bowl

Ole Miss 21, OSU 7, Cotton Bowl

Alabama 37, Texas 21, BCS title game

2008

Texas 52, Arkansas 10, at Texas

Ole Miss 47, Texas Tech 34, Cotton Bowl

Florida 24, OU 14, BCS title game

2007

Georgia 35, OSU 14, at Georgia

Auburn 23, Kansas State 13, at Auburn

Missouri 38, Ole Miss 25, at Ole Miss

Alabama 30, Colorado 24, Independence Bowl

Missouri 38, Arkansas 7, Cotton Bowl

2006

Missouri 34, Ole Miss 7, at Ole Miss

Georgia 14, Colorado 13, at Georgia

OSU 34, Alabama 31, Independence Bowl

Auburn 17, Nebraska 14, Cotton Bowl

2005

Missouri 38, South Carolina 31, Independence Bowl

Alabama 13, Texas Tech 10, Cotton Bowl

2004

Texas 22, Arkansas 20, at Arkansas

Tennessee 38, Texas A&M 7, Cotton Bowl

2003

OU 20, Alabama 13, at Alabama

Arkansas 38, Texas 28, at Texas

Texas 49, Ole Miss 45, at Ole Miss

Arkansas 27, Missouri 14, Independence Bowl

Ole Miss 31, OSU 28, Cotton Bowl

LSU 21, OU 14, Sugar Bowl
To the bold, that's true. However, the fact that OU rolled over the Tide when they were major underdogs did end up being a "statement" win in terms of national perception. Stoops also backed up his smack talk which made it all the sweeter.

OU also played better defense than Bama did in the Sugar Bowl. In fact, it could be easily argued that OU's defense ended up outshining all other units on the field that night.
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Old 09-29-2014, 01:46 AM
 
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Growing up a Big Ten and a Ohio St fan now living in the south I can tell you for the last 10-15 years the SEC by far has been the best conference overall with no comparisons anywhere.

Looking back at the teams such as LSU, Florida, Alabama, Auburn and players from places like Arkansas, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia have added quality players to the NFL no league had a much talent, speed, power, fans etc as the SEC. And this is coming from someone who feels had John Cooper and Jim Tressel had not been so darn conservative and played like the SEC teams Ohio St could have easily had 3-4 more rings. They had the players, speed etc but these two wanted 3-4 yards while the more exciting SEC teams put players on the field to play, not just hand the ball of and hope they get a first down.

The SEC has the most players in the NFL currently and have 7 teams with the most players playing in the NFL right now with LSU leading the pack of SEC teams with 56 players. Only USC has more players then LSU. Ohio St has 53 and the Big 10 has many of the top teams with NFL players currently playing.

B10 haters and SEC haters cannot ignore the fact of the BCS championship, Heismans, NFL players these two conferences have. Pac 10 and all others are left in the dust with facts.

LSU 57
Alabama 54
Georgia 48
Florida 47
Tennessee 40
South Carolina 39
Texas A& M 36
Arkansas 30

Go to an SEC game, you will be amazed at the football atmosphere. Growing up going to Ohio St I did not think anything could touch those games but getting to go to games to see LSU-Florida-South Carolina-Georgia it is the best football atmosphere you will ever witness.
Former Ohio St. standout Eddie George is on record saying that the Red River Shootout had a more electric and "bigger" feel and atmosphere than Ohio St.-Michigan. I would think he would know.
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Old 09-29-2014, 02:00 AM
 
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I'm really trying to figure out what the big deal is here. SEC teams have adapted. Who cares?
Because of the exaggerated perception of SEC defenses.

A&M is torching everybody in the SEC with tempo, spread, and speed. (Even Saban is running a little tempo now after trying to get a rule passed to limit it! It's the classic if you can't beat 'em join 'em. Ha.) Missouri has been successful too.

The perception that the almighty SEC has the corner market on D is quickly fading because of tougher offensive schemes and better QB play.
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