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Old 09-15-2015, 03:35 PM
 
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I can remember when they were a perennial top-ten team. What caused the programs slide?
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Old 09-15-2015, 05:11 PM
 
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If you are talking about the Colorado Buffaloes, I've also wondered what happened to that program. It does seem to have slid into a bit of a limbo or holding pattern. Usually the constant turnover at administrators, athletic directors, coaches, coaching philosophies, fan base and that sort of thing seems to put a dip in progress for a while.

However, their recent entry into the Pac-12 should push the program into wanting to compete at a higher level!
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Old 09-15-2015, 06:13 PM
 
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I can remember when they were a perennial top-ten team. What caused the programs slide?
Colorado fired Neuheisal. Bad bad move. They've never recovered.
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Old 09-15-2015, 08:02 PM
 
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Colorado fired Neuheisal. Bad bad move. They've never recovered.
Neuheisel wasn't fired. He left for Washington because he knew the crap was about to hit the fan. He committed multiple recruiting violations during his tenure and caused the university to get sanctioned by the NCAA. The university also had to forfeit all their wins from the 1997 season because he played an ineligible player all year.

CU then went back to the well and hired former McCartney assistant and Northwestern head coach Gary Barnett. Barnett had some success as head coach but lost his job due to several high-profile off the field events (escorts and booze for underage recruits, multiple rape accusations against players, and alleged sexual misconduct in the locker room toward female kicker Katie Hnida).

After Barnett, CU made two colossally bad coaching hires. First in late 2005 they hired Dan Hawkins away from Boise State and then threw a huge extension (through 2012) at him when he'd barely proven himself. His second season (2007) was his high water mark (6-7). He was fired 9 games into the 2010 season.

Because they were still on the hook for Hawkins and had to buy out Barnett, CU was broke and went el cheapo for their next coach and hired former player Jon Embree. Embree's tenure was a total disaster. He was fired after posting a 4-21 overall record in 2011 & 2012.

CU's current coach, Mike MacIntyre, was their 3rd or 4th choice to replace Embree. The others (including Butch Jones, Troy Calhoun, and current Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly) took one look at the program and said "no thanks."

As a side note, Jim McElwain interviewed for the CU job after Hawkins was fired. They chose Embree. Huge mistake.

I personally think if the Pac-12 could take a mulligan on adding CU to the conference they would do it in a heartbeat.

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Old 09-15-2015, 08:37 PM
 
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Neuheisel wasn't fired. He left for Washington because he knew the crap was about to hit the fan. He committed multiple recruiting violations during his tenure and caused the university to get sanctioned by the NCAA. The university also had to forfeit all their wins from the 1997 season because he played an ineligible player all year.
And when UW began the Neu Era, it went into a downward slide from which it has yet to regain anything like consistent success. I was pretty sure Neu wouldn't screu his own alma mater, but it also turned out he couldn't win there. I guess, at least, he didn't leave them with an ethical abscess.
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Old 09-16-2015, 01:26 AM
 
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part of the problem is what it always has been, the pressure put on coaches to win at all costs. this is mostly done by the alumni associations for each school. they tell the school administrators "look we are donating tons of money to the school, and we want to see a winning team in (what ever sport they support).
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Old 09-16-2015, 07:22 AM
 
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part of the problem is what it always has been, the pressure put on coaches to win at all costs. this is mostly done by the alumni associations for each school. they tell the school administrators "look we are donating tons of money to the school, and we want to see a winning team in (what ever sport they support).
There needs to be a way to reign in these alumni associations which seem to lord it over their respective universities by wielding dollars like sledge hammers. It shouldn't matter what or how they donate, or that they donate at all, these so-called boosters are quickly becoming the bane of athletics and academia. Desiring the best for a university is one thing, but demanding a voice in the process is yet another.
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Old 09-16-2015, 09:49 AM
 
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Neuheisel wasn't fired. He left for Washington because he knew the crap was about to hit the fan. He committed multiple recruiting violations during his tenure and caused the university to get sanctioned by the NCAA. The university also had to forfeit all their wins from the 1997 season because he played an ineligible player all year.

CU then went back to the well and hired former McCartney assistant and Northwestern head coach Gary Barnett. Barnett had some success as head coach but lost his job due to several high-profile off the field events (escorts and booze for underage recruits, multiple rape accusations against players, and alleged sexual misconduct in the locker room toward female kicker Katie Hnida).

After Barnett, CU made two colossally bad coaching hires. First in late 2005 they hired Dan Hawkins away from Boise State and then threw a huge extension (through 2012) at him when he'd barely proven himself. His second season (2007) was his high water mark (6-7). He was fired 9 games into the 2010 season.

Because they were still on the hook for Hawkins and had to buy out Barnett, CU was broke and went el cheapo for their next coach and hired former player Jon Embree. Embree's tenure was a total disaster. He was fired after posting a 4-21 overall record in 2011 & 2012.

CU's current coach, Mike MacIntyre, was their 3rd or 4th choice to replace Embree. The others (including Butch Jones, Troy Calhoun, and current Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly) took one look at the program and said "no thanks."

As a side note, Jim McElwain interviewed for the CU job after Hawkins was fired. They chose Embree. Huge mistake.

I personally think if the Pac-12 could take a mulligan on adding CU to the conference they would do it in a heartbeat.

Solid commentary by bluescreen73!

It doesn't seem that many years (actually decades) ago that CU had a proud program that just couldn't hurdle over Oklahoma and Nebraska to win the conference, but Eddie Crowder's CU Buffaloes had solid programs for most of the 60's and early 70's. How good were they? Go back to 1971 and imagine the Big 8 conference dominating everybody.

The final AP/UPI poll was 1. Nebraska, 2. Oklahoma, and 3. Colorado. If Iowa State could have won the Peach Bowl they would have finished fourth. They were rated 8th in the country before that game, coached by Johnny Majors. In 1973 Crowder resigned and became full time AD, and he hired Bill Mallory, who took the Buffs to the Orange Bowl in 1976. The wheels came off the program in 1979 when CU hired Chuck Fairbanks. In 3 seasons Fairbanks run the program off the tracks, going 7 wins and 26 losses in 3 seasons. It took Bill McCartney several years to build the program back up but build it back up he did.

I'm hoping McIntyre can bring some respectability back to the program but he'll be swimming upstream for a while. The last few years this program has been, um, painful to watch. And like bluescreen73 stated the program has been taking its lumps with one scandal after another. People thought Dan Hawkins would have been the next Bill McCartney after having a great record with Boise State. After seeing what Chris Peterson did with that program after Hawkins left it was clear to see who was the brains behind that operation.
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:16 AM
 
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There needs to be a way to reign in these alumni associations which seem to lord it over their respective universities by wielding dollars like sledge hammers. It shouldn't matter what or how they donate, or that they donate at all, these so-called boosters are quickly becoming the bane of athletics and academia. Desiring the best for a university is one thing, but demanding a voice in the process is yet another.
i fully agree. i dont know what the answer is though.

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Solid commentary by bluescreen73!

It doesn't seem that many years (actually decades) ago that CU had a proud program that just couldn't hurdle over Oklahoma and Nebraska to win the conference, but Eddie Crowder's CU Buffaloes had solid programs for most of the 60's and early 70's. How good were they? Go back to 1971 and imagine the Big 8 conference dominating everybody.

The final AP/UPI poll was 1. Nebraska, 2. Oklahoma, and 3. Colorado. If Iowa State could have won the Peach Bowl they would have finished fourth. They were rated 8th in the country before that game, coached by Johnny Majors. In 1973 Crowder resigned and became full time AD, and he hired Bill Mallory, who took the Buffs to the Orange Bowl in 1976. The wheels came off the program in 1979 when CU hired Chuck Fairbanks. In 3 seasons Fairbanks run the program off the tracks, going 7 wins and 26 losses in 3 seasons. It took Bill McCartney several years to build the program back up but build it back up he did.

I'm hoping McIntyre can bring some respectability back to the program but he'll be swimming upstream for a while. The last few years this program has been, um, painful to watch. And like bluescreen73 stated the program has been taking its lumps with one scandal after another. People thought Dan Hawkins would have been the next Bill McCartney after having a great record with Boise State. After seeing what Chris Peterson did with that program after Hawkins left it was clear to see who was the brains behind that operation.
i think the move the the PAC-12 is ultimately going to be good the colorado.
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Old 09-16-2015, 11:53 AM
 
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There needs to be a way to reign in these alumni associations which seem to lord it over their respective universities by wielding dollars like sledge hammers. It shouldn't matter what or how they donate, or that they donate at all, these so-called boosters are quickly becoming the bane of athletics and academia. Desiring the best for a university is one thing, but demanding a voice in the process is yet another.
Ooops! I meant REIN, not reign!
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