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Old 06-19-2016, 11:22 AM
 
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In recent years Houston has been a stepping stone for coaches headed to the "big leagues". It remains to be seen if Herman will stick around long until a "name" school comes calling.
Hopefully he stays at least another 2-3 years. We all know that OSU or LSU or even UT could back up the brinks truck. But if he gets UH to P-5 he gets a 3 mil bonus. And UH gets a huuuuge P-5 boost in revenue that could help keep him longer (or the next guy if it comes to that). At least he seems to be a man of integrity who would handle departure respectfully. Unlike Bumblin Sumlin who was interviewing with every team in the nation the week leading up to the C-USA championship game for UH, or Benedict Briles who was recruiting for Baylor from his UH office when the UH AD told him to gtfo.

By the way, thanks for the top recruit Baylor! The Aggies also gave UH some top recruits to make up for that nasty coaching situation with UH years ago

 
Old 06-19-2016, 12:52 PM
 
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The other day I heard a radio sports talk show host predict that Tom Herman will be the head coach of the next SEC West team that has an opening - most likely after the '16 season. A very real possibility, I think...
 
Old 06-19-2016, 05:02 PM
 
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The other day I heard a radio sports talk show host predict that Tom Herman will be the head coach of the next SEC West team that has an opening - most likely after the '16 season. A very real possibility, I think...
College Station?
 
Old 06-19-2016, 05:05 PM
 
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And an apt thought for Baylor....


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Case study in Taoism. The harder you push for control when control is an illusion, the worse the chaos when you inevitably fail.
 
Old 06-20-2016, 12:09 AM
 
Location: The Bayou City
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So the firm that the Baylor Brass hired, Pepper Hamilton & Co., is lying in that in one of its most damning assertions that some of the Baylor coaches tried to talk to the rape victims INSTEAD of going immediately to the police and/or the higher-up admins at Fighting Baptist U.?

https://www.baylor.edu/rtsv/doc.php/266596.pdf:

"Baylor failed to take appropriate action to respond to reports of sexual assault and dating violence reportedly committed by football players. The choices made by football staff and athletics leadership, in some instances, posed a risk to campus safety and the integrity of the University. In certain instances, including reports of a sexual assault by multiple football players, athletics and football personnel affirmatively chose not to report sexual violence and dating violence to an appropriate administrator outside of athletics. In those instances, football coaches or staff met directly with a complainant and/or a parent of a complainant and did notreport the misconduct. As a result, no action was taken to support complainants, fairly and impartially evaluate the conduct under Title IX, address identified cultural concerns within the football program, or protect campus safety once aware of a potential pattern of sexual violence by multiple football players. In addition, some football coaches and staff took improper steps in response to disclosures of sexual assault or dating violence that precluded the University from fulfilling its legal obligations. Football staff conducted their own untrained internal inquiries, outside of policy, which improperly discredited complainants and denied them the right to a fair, impartial and informed investigation, interim measures or processes promised under University policy. In some cases, internal steps gave the illusion of responsiveness to complainants but failed to provide a meaningful institutional response under Title IX. Further, because reports were not shared outside of athletics, the University missed critical opportunities to impose appropriate disciplinary action that would have removed offenders from campus and possibly precluded future acts of sexual violence against Baylor students. In some instances, the football program dismissed players for unspecified team violations and assisted them in transferring to other schools. As a result, some football coaches and staff abdicated responsibilities under Title IX and Clery; to student welfare; to the health and safety of complainants; and to Baylor’s institutional values.In addition to the failures related to sexual assault and dating violence, individuals within the football program actively sought to maintain internal control over discipline for other forms of misconduct. Athletics personnel failed to recognize the conflict of interest in roles and risk to campus safety by insulating athletes from student conduct processes. Football coaches and staff took affirmative steps to maintain internal control over discipline of players and to actively divert cases from the student conduct or criminal processes. In some cases, football coaches and staff had inappropriate involvement in disciplinary and criminal matters or engaged in improper conduct that reinforced an overall perception that football was above the rules, and that there was no culture of accountability for misconduct."

Please explain the above away. Good luck, or not.
Whats to explain..? Thats a message written by the Baylor BOR. They claim its based off of the oral presentation by Pepper Hamilton, but since a hard copy of the report was never given out, and regents supposably didn't even take notes, who is to say that letter is anything but the BOR trying to deflect some of the accountability for the schools actions? Unfortunately we will never know unless the real report is released (which Briles advocated for), but the BOR is trying really hard for that not to happen. Sadly it sounds like PH is the only one that actually has a physical report, and if they were to release it behind Baylors back, there would be a huge law suit that PH would probably rather not get involved in.

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Anyone in this forum who is confident about playing Houston over the next few years...I recommend getting the hell out of the way of the Tom Herman train, because they will be absolutely stacked.
This season should be interesting. The OU game should give us an idea of how good UH is. But nothing is for certain after 2016.

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Yep, TT is in denial, just like the JoePa fans were & are.


Thought this post elsewhere was spot on:





Briles is not fit to be in the position of coaching young men or boys.
Ah, trying to compare Baylor towards a documented case of repeated child molestations that went on for over 30 years.. Cute. Joe Paterno was actually proven guilty in a court of law of knowing about and ignoring child molestation by Sandusky. Hardly the same as someone being accused of supposably knowing about rape.

Wow. Another post linked from the bigoted cesspool that is ShaggyTexas. Why am I not surprised? Thats definitely an accurate, unbiased assessment of what went on at Baylor. That post is so ridiculous and nonsensical that I'm not even going to bother justifying it with a response.

A person who has been accused of being involved in a scandal from the last few years of his coaching career is "unfit" for coaching young men or boys even though he successfully did so without incident for over 3 decades prior? Righttt...

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Hopefully he stays at least another 2-3 years. We all know that OSU or LSU or even UT could back up the brinks truck. But if he gets UH to P-5 he gets a 3 mil bonus. And UH gets a huuuuge P-5 boost in revenue that could help keep him longer (or the next guy if it comes to that). At least he seems to be a man of integrity who would handle departure respectfully. Unlike Bumblin Sumlin who was interviewing with every team in the nation the week leading up to the C-USA championship game for UH, or Benedict Briles who was recruiting for Baylor from his UH office when the UH AD told him to gtfo.

By the way, thanks for the top recruit Baylor! The Aggies also gave UH some top recruits to make up for that nasty coaching situation with UH years ago
OSU? Why would they fire Gundy? Not sure they have the same level of money as LSU/UT either.

I read that Herman would get a $5 million bonus if he got them into a conference with "an annual TV revenue of over $20 million". Either way, add $5 million to the $2.8 million a year he's signed for now and it still wouldn't be worth it over the course of his 5 year contract if he could be elsewhere making $5 million a year plus bonuses. I would like to see Herman stay too, but its hard to see that happening if a big named school offers him.
BTW, who was Briles "recruiting for Baylor from his UH office"?

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The other day I heard a radio sports talk show host predict that Tom Herman will be the head coach of the next SEC West team that has an opening - most likely after the '16 season. A very real possibility, I think...
Interesting. A&M or LSU are two potential candidates for that. Obviously UT could be a non SEC possibility.
 
Old 06-20-2016, 01:26 AM
 
Location: Murphy, North Carolina
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And an apt thought for Baylor....
So true. As another user said on ShaggyTexas, this should be repeated to the Baylor BoR a minimum of 20,000 times.

However, because that's devil talk, they ain't listening to that.
 
Old 06-20-2016, 12:34 PM
 
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Whats to explain..? Thats a message written by the Baylor BOR. They claim its based off of the oral presentation by Pepper Hamilton, but since a hard copy of the report was never given out, and regents supposably didn't even take notes, who is to say that letter is anything but the BOR trying to deflect some of the accountability for the schools actions? Unfortunately we will never know unless the real report is released (which Briles advocated for), but the BOR is trying really hard for that not to happen. Sadly it sounds like PH is the only one that actually has a physical report, and if they were to release it behind Baylors back, there would be a huge law suit that PH would probably rather not get involved in.



This season should be interesting. The OU game should give us an idea of how good UH is. But nothing is for certain after 2016.



Ah, trying to compare Baylor towards a documented case of repeated child molestations that went on for over 30 years.. Cute. Joe Paterno was actually proven guilty in a court of law of knowing about and ignoring child molestation by Sandusky. Hardly the same as someone being accused of supposably knowing about rape.

Wow. Another post linked from the bigoted cesspool that is ShaggyTexas. Why am I not surprised? Thats definitely an accurate, unbiased assessment of what went on at Baylor. That post is so ridiculous and nonsensical that I'm not even going to bother justifying it with a response.

A person who has been accused of being involved in a scandal from the last few years of his coaching career is "unfit" for coaching young men or boys even though he successfully did so without incident for over 3 decades prior? Righttt...



OSU? Why would they fire Gundy? Not sure they have the same level of money as LSU/UT either.

I read that Herman would get a $5 million bonus if he got them into a conference with "an annual TV revenue of over $20 million". Either way, add $5 million to the $2.8 million a year he's signed for now and it still wouldn't be worth it over the course of his 5 year contract if he could be elsewhere making $5 million a year plus bonuses. I would like to see Herman stay too, but its hard to see that happening if a big named school offers him.
BTW, who was Briles "recruiting for Baylor from his UH office"?



Interesting. A&M or LSU are two potential candidates for that. Obviously UT could be a non SEC possibility.
Nice dodge. So you're implying that the BOR doctored the Pepper Hamilton Oral Report essentially making her and her firm liars and directing the narrative to more in line with what they (BOR) wanted it to say.

If that's the case don't you think Pepper Hamilton would come out and refute the BOR, claiming that they altered her report (albeit the oral one) and findings?

I think it's much more likely that what is presented in the Pepper Hamilton Report are the actual findings of Pepper Hamilton & Co. and not the alterations that you are implying.

If this is true, and I think it is much more reasonable to believe it so, that means that Briles and his coaches are actually guilty of something, perhaps many things, most notably meeting with the complainants individually in an effort to keep the sexual assaults/offenses hush-hush.

Open those Grizzly eyes, Tallest. What Briles has done is indefensible. He was justly fired. Don't be surprised in the least if he ain't off the hook yet, the Feds and the NCAA are coming.
 
Old 06-20-2016, 05:23 PM
 
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It keeps getting worse:


http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...ze-rape-victim

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The attorney for a sexual assault victim suing Baylor University is claiming that former head football coach Art Briles backed out of a pledge to support and apologize to the victim, who was raped by a Baylor football player in 2012.

The issue so angered the woman, Jasmin Hernandez, and her attorneys, that they released a statement detailing the interaction on Monday.

In 2012, Hernandez, a former Baylor student, was raped by former football player Tevin Elliott. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison and fined $10,000 for sexually assaulting Hernandez, and his criminal trial revealed allegations of rape by three other women and a misdemeanor charge for trying to assault another woman.

Hernandez sued Baylor, Briles and former athletic director Ian McCaw in March, saying Baylor and the others did not comply with federal Title IX law: Baylor "failed to properly train and educate their employees ... in appropriate response to allegations of sexual harassment, sexual abuse, and retaliatory conduct ... ."

Monday's news release detailing the Hernandez team's frustration with Briles comes after a series of meetings and legal maneuvers last week.

Baylor, Briles and McCaw have been working to settle the lawsuit through Baylor, according to Hernandez's attorneys; an all-day mediation meeting Friday in Dallas ended without a deal, however.

The day before the mediation session, Briles' personal attorney, Ernest Cannon, filed a motion to separate Briles from Baylor University in the Hernandez lawsuit, meaning each would be able to fight or settle the lawsuit independently. The motion contended that Briles, who had been fired May 26, was being unfairly blamed for the school's overall institutional failure to address sexual assault and that Baylor's attorneys were not working on his behalf.

After Cannon filed the motion Thursday, he called attorney Alex Zalkin and told him Briles "promised" to come to Friday's mediation session "to support Jasmin ... and help her, and to apologize to her and her family," Zalkin told Outside the Lines.

Zalkin said Hernandez was "cautiously optimistic" upon hearing the news. "She was definitely appreciative that he wanted to help and that he wanted to apologize," Zalkin said.

On Friday, Briles and Baylor reached a settlement about his firing, according to The Waco (Texas) Tribune-Herald, and Cannon withdrew the legal motion, leaving Briles to be represented by Baylor's attorneys. Neither Briles nor Cannon showed up for the mediation meeting on Friday, Zalkin said. The mediation ended without a deal, Zalkin said.

"[Briles] used the threat of helping Jasmin in her lawsuit against Baylor as leverage to negotiate his wrongful termination claim against Baylor," Zalkin said. "He doesn't care about victims. He never cared about victims. He's using victims. He used them to help build up his football program, and now he's using Jasmin to leverage more money out of Baylor."

Hernandez "was hurt. ... She was upset and she was offended," Zalkin said. He said Cannon did not offer an explanation for not showing up when reached Friday, only "that they decided not to come."

Cannon did not respond to emails and voicemail messages left for him Monday.

ESPN typically does not name victims of sexual assaults, but Hernandez filed the lawsuit using her name and is not requesting anonymity about her case.
 
Old 06-20-2016, 05:53 PM
 
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Yep. Art Briles is now showing himself for who he truly is. And certain Baylor boosters still wanted him back. And here is a direct quote from the BaylorFans website.

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Who owes her an apologize in order of importance.
  1. Elliot for raping her
  2. Herself for making poor decisions
That's it. No one else owes her anything IMO.
And as it's been said, they aren't representative of all Baylor fans anymore than any other fanbase. But dear god. This guy is blaming the victim.
 
Old 06-21-2016, 07:21 AM
 
Location: The Bayou City
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Nice dodge. So you're implying that the BOR doctored the Pepper Hamilton Oral Report essentially making her and her firm liars and directing the narrative to more in line with what they (BOR) wanted it to say.

If that's the case don't you think Pepper Hamilton would come out and refute the BOR, claiming that they altered her report (albeit the oral one) and findings?

I think it's much more likely that what is presented in the Pepper Hamilton Report are the actual findings of Pepper Hamilton & Co. and not the alterations that you are implying.

If this is true, and I think it is much more reasonable to believe it so, that means that Briles and his coaches are actually guilty of something, perhaps many things, most notably meeting with the complainants individually in an effort to keep the sexual assaults/offenses hush-hush.

Open those Grizzly eyes, Tallest. What Briles has done is indefensible. He was justly fired. Don't be surprised in the least if he ain't off the hook yet, the Feds and the NCAA are coming.
How was that a nice "dodge"? Im implying that no one knows what the Pepper Hamilton oral report said, so the BOR could claim anything they want in that write up that they posted and we would never know any different. It wouldn't be the first time the BOR has gone out of their way to try and cover their own tails.

Why would PH come out and say anything? Unless the real PH report somehow gets released, no one will never know for sure what was in that report. I would imagine in the Baylor contract with Pepper Hamilton that PH isn't allowed to comment on details.

Who said anything about meeting with complainants individually to keep the situation hush-hush? Again, why would the complainants go to a football coach/staff about an allegation as serious as sexual assault before first reporting it to police and/or the Baylor administration?

If Briles was "justly" fired, then he wouldn't of just been paid tens of millions of dollars to settle the wrongful termination suit.. perhaps you need to open your "grizzly eyes".

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How does it "keep getting worse"..? If you were competent enough to understand what was going on you would see that y'all have completely unrealistic expectations. But since all you want to do is slander Briles, here is a nice breakdown of why he couldn't apologize.
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Because of Briles' settlement with Baylor, it would be a violation of the conditions of that settlement agreement for him to apologize at this time. He could definitely mediate at this point in time, but he is free to change his mind on mediation given the circumstances. No attorney in his or her right mind would allow Art to apologize at this time. If anything, Art probably wants to apologize, which is why his attorneys just kept him away to begin with. But, you have to remember that in a court at law, an apology amounts to an admissible admission.
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Yep. Art Briles is now showing himself for who he truly is. And certain Baylor boosters still wanted him back. And here is a direct quote from the BaylorFans website.

And as it's been said, they aren't representative of all Baylor fans anymore than any other fanbase. But dear god. This guy is blaming the victim.
"Who he truly is".. which is..? What dont you understand about the legality of the situation? Its just more hypocrisy and sensationalism from the media.

Fortunately most Baylor fans/alumni dont see eye to eye with the victim blamers.
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