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Old 12-16-2016, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Also, don't forget you needed a prayer missed FG from a weak 6-6 NC State team to force the game into overtime. That is not being good, just lucky.

Again, come to me if/when Clemson wins it all.
you leave out that our stud RB was knocked early in the game game on a play was close to targetting, and he fumbled on that play as well. there were 3 other turnovers in the game.

it wasn't a prayer given NC State's kicker was really bad. Their coach decided to try a FG anyway instead of trying to get a TD. NC State also had the opportunity to win in overtime.
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:02 AM
 
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I'm actually very sure that OSU's defense is better than Clemson's D. They've scored 6 defensive TDs and are near the top in EVERY defensive category.
I think OSU is confident in their personnel more so than 2016 Clemson Opponents have been confident.
They will play tight man coverage with two first round DBs and have Malik Hooker play the field (selected IF he enters in the 1st round this year) and then spy Watson underneath with LBs that run 4.5s. Clemson needs to take a different approach with this game or they lose IMO. If they take chances like they have all season OSU will hurt them. They need Gallman to carry the ball 25 times.


Teams with good offenses have done the following.
Oklahoma scored 17 offensive points. 7 on a KO return.
Tulsa 3 points
Michigan 20 in regulation
Nebraska 3
Penn St. 17. 7 on blocked kick return.


For a comparable
Clemson played Auburn and put up 19 on them. OSU D is every bit as good LIKELY better than Auburn's D the numbers back it up too.


The key to this game is OSU Offense. If it shows up OSU wins. If we see vanilla calls and Barrett missing open WRs- they lose.
The AUburn game was first game of the season, and Clemson was on the road. Clemson also head Auburn to 13 at home, and Auburn was running all over SEC teams.

OSU had a ton of close games to end the season.

OSU hasn't seen a team with a balanced offense this year plus a good aggressive defense.
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:57 AM
 
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The AUburn game was first game of the season, and Clemson was on the road. Clemson also head Auburn to 13 at home, and Auburn was running all over SEC teams.

OSU had a ton of close games to end the season.

OSU hasn't seen a team with a balanced offense this year plus a good aggressive defense.
To be fair...I didn't want to point out one game. Auburn's D is the closest OSU comparison. Over the course of the year, OSU Defense has been stellar and those numbers were put up against teams that had some offensive fire power. The offense whole different story, dominant and then JV looking. OSU didn't play good football in October. The couple close calls at the end of the year that you pointed out- one was against the #3 team in the Country. You guys had a similar close call against Louisville at home. The other was a rivalry game on the road in bad weather.


Regarding OSU hasn't seen the offense that Clemson has, yes and no. OSU may not be looking forward to playing multiple WR sets with a guy like Watson throwing the ball around but OSU is very hopeful that Clemson will remain careless with the ball like they have for most of the season.




OSU defense will show up. I'll eat crow January 1 if that's not the case. OSU has played a handful of games this year where the play calling and JT Barrett execution have been great...if that happens OSU will cover the spread.
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Old 12-16-2016, 12:56 PM
 
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Clemson had 5 turnovers in the Lville game, and 4 turnovers in the NC state in which they also lost their best RB. and they still won both games. obviously any team is more likely to lose if they turn it over but turnovers in some games doesn't mean Clemson turns it over a lot in another game.
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Old 12-16-2016, 01:28 PM
 
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Clemson had 5 turnovers in the Lville game, and 4 turnovers in the NC state in which they also lost their best RB. and they still won both games. obviously any team is more likely to lose if they turn it over but turnovers in some games doesn't mean Clemson turns it over a lot in another game.
OSU D is very opportunistic. If the Ville and Wolfpack can do it- OSU can.


The key is Lattimore and Conley locking up their guys and letting Hooker, Raekwon, Baker, Worley roam the field. All four of those guys can turn a pick into 6.


If I were coaching Clemson. I'd get Gallman ready. You don't attack OSU throwing 35+ times.


If OSU loses I can almost guarantee you can pin the loss on Barrett throwing the ball ineffectively or the play calling being atrocious. Any OSU fan will tell you the play calling this season has been solid at times but very bad at other times too.
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Old 12-16-2016, 01:29 PM
 
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Clemson had 5 turnovers in the Lville game, and 4 turnovers in the NC state in which they also lost their best RB. and they still won both games. obviously any team is more likely to lose if they turn it over but turnovers in some games doesn't mean Clemson turns it over a lot in another game.
Their turnover margin is 0. Which means they have the same number of turnovers as takeaways.

24 of each.

Ohio State, on the other hand, is 3rd in the nation with a +16. Basically 1.3 per game.

9 turnovers vs 25 takeaways.
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Old 12-16-2016, 01:30 PM
 
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Their turnover margin is 0. Which means they have the same number of turnovers as takeaways.

24 of each.

Ohio State, on the other hand, is 3rd in the nation with a +16. Basically 1.3 per game.

9 turnovers vs 25 takeaways.
6 Defensive TDs too. We had two others called back.


If Malik Hooker would have been showcased on offense he would have been in New York over Peppers.
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Old 12-16-2016, 04:50 PM
 
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Their turnover margin is 0. Which means they have the same number of turnovers as takeaways.

24 of each.

Ohio State, on the other hand, is 3rd in the nation with a +16. Basically 1.3 per game.

9 turnovers vs 25 takeaways.
turnovers in past games don't tell you anything about a future game. some of them were tipped ball interceptions as well, fluke stuff.

OSU was also going up less talented offenses. Clemson spreads the ball around.
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Old 12-16-2016, 04:53 PM
 
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OSU D is very opportunistic. If the Ville and Wolfpack can do it- OSU can.


The key is Lattimore and Conley locking up their guys and letting Hooker, Raekwon, Baker, Worley roam the field. All four of those guys can turn a pick into 6.


If I were coaching Clemson. I'd get Gallman ready. You don't attack OSU throwing 35+ times.


If OSU loses I can almost guarantee you can pin the loss on Barrett throwing the ball ineffectively or the play calling being atrocious. Any OSU fan will tell you the play calling this season has been solid at times but very bad at other times too.

Watson might rush for more than Gallman. They are both going to be running.

if OSU didn't have Meyer coaching, Clemson would be the favorite. Watson is much better than Barrett.
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Old 12-17-2016, 12:06 PM
 
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Bottom line is that it should be a very good game. OSU fans seem very confident (kinda like last time ), but Meyer knows our program pretty well and I don't think he will feel that way.
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