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Old 01-01-2018, 02:37 PM
 
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Man. Auburn fan here, but hats off to UCF. The SEC is definitely down this year.

 
Old 01-01-2018, 02:42 PM
 
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But everyone said they were undeserving of a playoff spot.
They had as much right as Georgia. I don’t think Georgia deserves to be in the Rose Bowl given how weak their division was this year.
 
Old 01-01-2018, 04:24 PM
 
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But everyone said they were undeserving of a playoff spot.
Had they played a single ranked team during the regular season.. They might have gotten one.

This is all on their schedule. They cancelled and never made up the game against Georgia Tech.. Not that it would have helped them alot.. Their other non-conference opponents were Maryland, FIU and Austin Peay. That's not even an attempt at a quality opponent.

If Wisconsin and Alabama get taken to task for weak scheduling.. UCF should as well.
 
Old 01-01-2018, 05:20 PM
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Location: Middle Tennessee
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[B]Had they played a single ranked team during the regular season.. They might have gotten one. [/b]

This is all on their schedule. They cancelled and never made up the game against Georgia Tech.. Not that it would have helped them alot.. Their other non-conference opponents were Maryland, FIU and Austin Peay. That's not even an attempt at a quality opponent.

If Wisconsin and Alabama get taken to task for weak scheduling.. UCF should as well.
Didn't they beat USF and Memphis who were both ranked?
 
Old 01-01-2018, 08:43 PM
 
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I had to miss the Georgia-Oklahoma game, but did look at the game summary and some of the video highlights. Per the usual, ESPN's hollow recaps have some glaring deficiencies. There is absolutely no mention in about a 25 paragraph story what may have been the difference in the outcome and after Oklahoma seemingly had total control with 6 seconds left in the half. The Oklahoma squib kick allowed Georgia to kick a 55 yard fg on the final play of the half. That seems huge to me and deserves further scrutiny. I researched further to make sure I am not missing something and Oklahoma really did do something that stupid.
Amazing how much of a shell these coaches go in and play too conservative. You hear so much about end-of-game management and prevent defenses. But I've seen these stupid squib kicks burn teams so many times. At least just pop the ball up in the air 20 yards down the field. All Georgia had to do was complete a single 9-yard pass to attempt that field goal? Wow. What was the Oklahoma coaching staff thinking?
 
Old 01-01-2018, 09:40 PM
 
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<<Auburn, which beat No. 3 Georgia and No. 4 Alabama when both teams were ranked No. 1 during the regular season, made it tough for the Knights, but UCF was the better team from start to finish. The margin could have been wider had UCF kicker*Matthew Wright not missed a pair of field goals. Milton also overshot a wide-open receiver in the first half for what would have been a sure touchdown.*>>

Three takeaways from UCF's Peach Bowl win over Auburn | NCAA Football | Sporting News

The committee tried to hide Auburn, victors over both Georgia and Alabama, from higher-ranked non-SEC competition, and still got exposed.

The committee has managed to turn the 2018 championship play-offs into a farce.

<<UCF 34, Big, bad SEC powerhouse Auburn 27....

The Knights, even though they are one of the most dominant teams in the nation, were shamefully ranked No. 12 in the final College Football Playoff ranking — five spots behind a three-loss Auburn team. Yes, the same Auburn team that played three of four playoff teams this season, manhandling both Georgia (40-17) and Alabama (26-14) late in the season and barely losing to Clemson (14-6) early in the season.>>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sport...102-story.html

Oh yeah. In the future, let's recognize Paul Finebaum for the laughable, SEC shill that he has proven himself to be, once again.

<<It was Finebaum, the controversial commentator on the SEC Network, who said UCF was not “in the same league as Auburn” and said the Tigers would “dust” UCF in the Peach Bowl....

UCF’s offensive line, which the experts said would be annihilated by Auburn’s plethora of NFL-ready defensive linemen, allowed only one sack. UCF’s maligned defense, which had given up more than 100 points and 1,400 yards during its past two games, sacked Stidham six times.>>

From the above Orlando Sentinel article.

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Old 01-01-2018, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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The ranking system vs an actual game. Your trying to back your argument with the ranking system which is a weekly discussion by several million people, because of its own corrupt logic. The ranking system is so off, they provide multiple versions of the rankings to iron out the anomalies and still there are areas of interpretation and argument. Bias is a substantial problem. Ok i am done with this discussion
No.
Im not using the top 25 ranking. Im using the position they finished within their conference.


It makes no sense to compare which conference is better by Comparing Northwestern to Kentucky as one is the 4th best team in their conference and the other is 7th.
 
Old 01-01-2018, 11:28 PM
 
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Yeah, but the committee pitted #7 Auburn against #12 UCF, whose best wins were by one touchdown over Texas A&M and Memphis. UCF's recruiting record is pitiful against the top Power 5 conference teams.

If you want fair contests, why wasn't Auburn, which beat both Alabama and Georgia, pitted against Wisconsin or Penn State, let alone Ohio State? Oh yeah, Auburn might have been spanked, blowing the committee's decision to elevate an Alabama team, whose best win was against LSU, based on the final rankings, with not even a division title over Ohio State based on an eye test.

This was a major piece of CYA by the committee.

Oh yeah, and as of this post, NO SEC team has defeated in a bowl game any team ranked in final top 25 by the committee. The Big Ten has defeated teams ranked 8, 10, 11, and 18.

College Football Playoff

Matching Auburn with UCF is an offensive joke given the committee's decision to put Alabama in the play-offs over Ohio State. The committee clearly didn't have the confidence in its Alabama decision to expose it to a test on the playing field against ANY top 10 team.

When the SEC starts playing successfully home-and-away series with the best Big Ten teams, then the SEC can talk about its superiority. College football will be much poorer if in future seasons the PAC-12, Big Ten and Big 12 begin to follow the SEC lead and water down their independent schedules.

When was the last time that Alabama played a highly ranked non-SEC foe on other than an independent field? Pathetic. The committee should not have rewarded Alabama this year for such chicanery if for no other reason than to improve the quality of college football by forcing the SEC to compete on the road against other Power 5 conferences.

Admittedly, the committee punished Ohio State for its inexplicable loss against Iowa (perhaps not so inexplicable when considering that Barrett was playing with a bad knee that required surgery before the Big Ten championship game; the committee considered Alabama's injured linebackers but not Barrett's knee), but effectively rewarded Alabama for its lack of signature victories based on the final rankings and the lack of any championship.

If Georgia and especially Alabama lose today, this will have been the committee's worst performance yet.
There are multiple problems with your argument, the main one simply being you dont understand the system.

Bowl tie in's still exist within the frame work of the Committee, they simply shift more. because of the playoff.

hopefully this link will help you. Not everything is a conspiracy theory.


Edit: i cant find the link for this year, but you get the flaw in your argument.




http://www.secsports.com/article/181...ection-process


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FAQs:
1) Which SEC Team qualifies for the College Football Playoff?
The winner of the SEC Championship Game automatically qualifies for a spot in the Peach, Cotton or Fiesta Bowls if that team is not selected to participate in the four-team playoff. If the SEC Champion is selected to participate in the four-team playoff it will play in the Sugar or Rose Bowl.

2) How can additional SEC teams be selected for the CFP?
Additional SEC teams may be selected for the CFP Semifinals (Sugar or Rose) or one of the CFP access bowls (Fiesta, Peach or Cotton Bowls) based on its ranking in the final CFP Selection Committee rankings. There is no limit on the number of teams from any one conference that can be selected to participate in the CFP bowls.

3) How can a SEC Team be selected to participate in the Orange Bowl?
When the Orange Bowl is not a semifinal game and a SEC team is the highest ranked team among the non-champions of the SEC and Big Ten and ranked higher than Notre Dame after the CFP semifinal games have been filled, then that team will participate in the Orange Bowl. There are eight years in which the Orange Bowl is not a semifinal game and the SEC is guaranteed three of the eight years, the Big Ten is guaranteed three of the eight years and the remaining two years can be filled by Notre Dame, the SEC or the Big Ten based on CFP Selection Committee rankings. To be clear, the SEC Champion can never participate in the Orange Bowl unless it is a semifinal game.

4) How does the CFP selection process work in 2017-18?
The CFP Selection Committee ranks the top 25 teams and selects the four teams to participate in the semifinal games (Sugar and Rose). Then, after the contract bowls (Orange) are filled based on conference agreements, the Committee will assign teams to fill the remaining access bowls (Cotton, Fiesta and Peach). The Orange Bowl is filled with an ACC representative and the highest ranked non champion from the SEC and the Big Ten or Notre Dame after the CFP semifinal games have been filled. Each conference champion from the contract bowls (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC & Pac 12) has a guaranteed spot in its contracted bowl or in an access bowl (Cotton, Fiesta or Peach) if the contracted bowl is a semifinal game and the conference champion is not selected to participate in a semifinal game. The highest ranked champion from the Mountain West, American, Conference USA, Sun Belt or MAC is guaranteed a spot in a CFP bowl and the remaining spots are filled based on the rankings of teams after the contract bowls have been filled.

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Old 01-02-2018, 12:14 AM
 
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They had as much right as Georgia. I don’t think Georgia deserves to be in the Rose Bowl given how weak their division was this year.
You play who’s on the schedule whether that be during an up or down year. Georgia wasn’t selected to the Rose based on their “division”, it was for winning the SEC Championship.
 
Old 01-02-2018, 12:32 AM
 
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<<Auburn, which beat No. 3 Georgia and No. 4 Alabama when both teams were ranked No. 1 during the regular season, made it tough for the Knights, but UCF was the better team from start to finish. The margin could have been wider had UCF kicker*Matthew Wright not missed a pair of field goals. Milton also overshot a wide-open receiver in the first half for what would have been a sure touchdown.*>>

Three takeaways from UCF's Peach Bowl win over Auburn | NCAA Football | Sporting News

The committee tried to hide Auburn, victors over both Georgia and Alabama, from higher-ranked non-SEC competition, and still got exposed.

The committee has managed to turn the 2018 championship play-offs into a farce.

<<UCF 34, Big, bad SEC powerhouse Auburn 27....

The Knights, even though they are one of the most dominant teams in the nation, were shamefully ranked No. 12 in the final College Football Playoff ranking — five spots behind a three-loss Auburn team. Yes, the same Auburn team that played three of four playoff teams this season, manhandling both Georgia (40-17) and Alabama (26-14) late in the season and barely losing to Clemson (14-6) early in the season.>>

After Peach Bowl win over Auburn, UCF is the real national champion - Orlando Sentinel

Oh yeah. In the future, let's recognize Paul Finebaum for the laughable, SEC shill that he has proven himself to be, once again.

<<It was Finebaum, the controversial commentator on the SEC Network, who said UCF was not “in the same league as Auburn” and said the Tigers would “dust” UCF in the Peach Bowl....

UCF’s offensive line, which the experts said would be annihilated by Auburn’s plethora of NFL-ready defensive linemen, allowed only one sack. UCF’s maligned defense, which had given up more than 100 points and 1,400 yards during its past two games, sacked Stidham six times.>>

From the above Orlando Sentinel article.
I lived in Florida for about 14 years in the panhandle and Fort Lauderdale. I watched the local
elite HS football games and learned that the talent pool runs deep. Basically, the elite 3-5 star
athletes usually choose an SEC school in the midst of heavy recruitment. The lower "tier"
athletes (2-3) star go to the "other" in-state schools like UCF, USF, FIU, FAU, etc.

My opinion is that many of the "lower tier" athletes are grossly underestimated. They may be underrated
because they came from low-performing teams, a smaller school, or the teen may have not had a
growth spurt in size and/or strength until college. So, it is not unreasonable to eventually see
in-state "lower tier" schools become formidable like UCF.

The defeat of Auburn was no surprise. UCF has legitimate (though underrated) talent that clearly
is on par with the SEC 4-5 star athletes. The HS "star rankings" are often misleading because the
players are still growing and their HS may just not get the spotlight.

But now that UCF is on the map, they should probably just join a power 5 conference if another
expansion arises. They've proven the ability to compete at that level by far.
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