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Old 05-07-2019, 08:30 AM
 
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Old 05-08-2019, 03:52 PM
 
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Clemson may end up having the best college football dynasty of all time.
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Old 05-09-2019, 10:23 AM
 
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Clemson may end up having the best college football dynasty of all time.
They've got their work cut out for them. Oklahoma, USC, Miami and obviously Bama will have something to say about that. But the future is definitely looking bright down there with the DJ signing.
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Old 05-09-2019, 04:56 PM
 
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How did you get USC and Miami on your list? Miami hasn't even won an ACC title since joining the conference. The emergence of South and Central Florida football programs has diluted the in state talent in Florida, that is why Miami, FSU, and Florida are not as good as in the past.

USC doesn't look to be on the verge of contending for titles.
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Old 05-10-2019, 09:55 AM
 
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How did you get USC and Miami on your list? Miami hasn't even won an ACC title since joining the conference. The emergence of South and Central Florida football programs has diluted the in state talent in Florida, that is why Miami, FSU, and Florida are not as good as in the past.

USC doesn't look to be on the verge of contending for titles.
You didn't understand what I wrote. It's not that those programs are going to challenge Clemson in the near future. It's that those programs, historically, have had stretches of dominance that Clemson has yet to put together. So as far as Clemson being the "best football college dynasty of all time" is concerned, fans of those programs would more than likely have something to say about that.

Don't get too big-headed. Looks like some of you may be headed that direction. Clemson will go from the underdog that America cheers for against the Evil Empire (Bama) to the team with an obnoxiously arrogant fanbase that America will come to despise. You guys have already got the Drake jinx anyway so there's no need to toss hubris into the mix.
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Old 05-11-2019, 02:59 AM
 
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I don't think speculating that Clemson might win a ton of titles is evidence that I am arrogant. It was a comment based on the current recruiting level which includes great players out of states far from SC.

I don't think anybody views Clemson as an underdog anymore. It never really was an underdog given it is in a good recruiting area and it has good facilities.

The programs outside of Alabama that you mentioned have not won titles in the playoff era. The majority of their titles were in the poll era.

Miami has never won a title as a member of a P5 conference.
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Old 05-11-2019, 09:40 AM
 
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I don't think anybody views Clemson as an underdog anymore. It never really was an underdog given it is in a good recruiting area and it has good facilities.

The programs outside of Alabama that you mentioned have not won titles in the playoff era. The majority of their titles were in the poll era.
The playoff era is only 5 years old. Anyway you want to slice it, Clemson is the new kid on the block as far as elite teams go. However, I'd say they have full fledged membership as an elite team and with about 5 or 10 more years of being a top 5 team might have enough tradition and history to be considered a true blue blood football team.

Truly though, getting to the level of beating (and in this year's case) dominating Alabama is truly amazing. You can poo poo the poll era but one thing about the early poll era is that if anybody was too good for too long..........Walter Byers would make sure they ended up on probation.

If we were still on those times, Bama would have had a devastation probation put on them about 3 years ago.
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Old 05-11-2019, 10:56 AM
 
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All of the so called blue blood programs have had bad and mediocre seasons, and Clemson has beat many of them the past 5 years.

Kids growing up now don't care a program won titles decades ago.
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Old 05-11-2019, 05:40 PM
 
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A good example of why the blueblood designation is silly is Texas.

Texas only has 4 national titles, and only one title since 1970. In comparison, Clemson has 3 national titles since 1981.

Yet Texas is consistently called a blueblood by people who use that expression.

Texas only had 10, 10, and 11 wins in their first three title seasons. Teams have to win a lot more games now to win a title.

Clemson failed to win a title a few years ago with a 14-1 record.

Texas won the title in 1970 with a 10-1 record, the loss being their bowl game. ND beat Texas 24-11 in that game.

It looks the AP award the national title to Nebraska that year. Texas only got 3 votes for first in the AP poll but the university still claims the 1970 title.

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Old 05-11-2019, 06:32 PM
 
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A good example of why the blueblood designation is silly is Texas.

Texas only has 4 national titles, and only one title since 1970. In comparison, Clemson has 3 national titles since 1981.

Yet Texas is consistently called a blueblood by people who use that expression.

Texas only had 10, 10, and 11 wins in their first three title seasons. Teams have to win a lot more games now to win a title.

Clemson failed to win a title a few years ago with a 14-1 record.

Texas won the title in 1970 with a 10-1 record, the loss being their bowl game. ND beat Texas 24-11 in that game.

It looks the AP award the national title to Nebraska that year. Texas only got 3 votes for first in the AP poll but the university still claims the 1970 title.

Clemson checks every box for a blue blood other than having a previous run somewhere in the past like the one they are having now. Almost had it in the '80s but not quite. The funny thing is that Clemson had the iconic coach who established the iconic traditions in the '50s and '60s but didn't have the success on a national level that it would have taken to be Blue Blood. People may argue that Clemson belongs on the blue blood list or not right now, but they won't be arguing about it in 5 or 10 years the way things are going.

As for the Texas 1970 thing. UPI (Coaches) gave the national championship trophy before the bowl games. The AP had started waiting until after the bowl games a few years earlier. UPI didn't start doing until the 1974 season.
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