U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > College Football
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 11-19-2008, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Texas
8,668 posts, read 20,318,024 times
Reputation: 21296

Advertisements

Go Tech!!!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 11-19-2008, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Wilmington, NC
8,575 posts, read 6,354,022 times
Reputation: 835
I agree with that. I actually started a thread about how bad the defense is in the big 12. I am also a gator fan, and their defense is BRUTAL!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Historic Bessemer View Post
Roll Tide! Bama will beat Florida in sec championship and crush the big 12 winner..........

Defense wins championships and nobody plays defense in the big 12!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-19-2008, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Kentucky/ Displaced Texan
3,106 posts, read 2,671,396 times
Reputation: 1024
Quote:
Originally Posted by Historic Bessemer View Post
Roll Tide! Bama will beat Florida in sec championship and crush the big 12 winner..........

Defense wins championships and nobody plays defense in the big 12!
USC who held teams to an average of 20 points a game and 250 yards of offense in 2005 had a good defense. They went up against a Team who was the leader in total offense. How did that work out? Oh wait.


In fact USC defense was statistically better than Bamas and Floridas in total yards a game. However Texas managed to run up 41 points and 556 total yards on offense. Defense wins championships? Not always
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-20-2008, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Historic Bessemer Alabama
629 posts, read 3,302,947 times
Reputation: 484
Quote:
Originally Posted by Packersnut21 View Post
USC who held teams to an average of 20 points a game and 250 yards of offense in 2005 had a good defense. They went up against a Team who was the leader in total offense. How did that work out? Oh wait.


In fact USC defense was statistically better than Bamas and Floridas in total yards a game. However Texas managed to run up 41 points and 556 total yards on offense. Defense wins championships? Not always



So, USC and Texas played and Texas put up 41 on them? I'm confused..........oh, wait........you are speaking of 2005.

oh, I must have fallen asleep.............which one of those teams has won the 2008 championship?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-20-2008, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Historic Bessemer Alabama
629 posts, read 3,302,947 times
Reputation: 484
I guess if your gonna talk about an unrecognized USC defense you might as well do this..........




Expert: Counting down best defenses of all time
USC could join this group, provided Trojans win national title
ASK THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL EXPERT
By Joey Johnston
updated 9:27 p.m. CT, Tues., Aug. 28, 2007
Before the season’s opening kickoff, the question already has been floated. Can the 2007 USC defense be regarded as the greatest in college-football history?

Got the concept? Good. Now forget all about it.

Let’s give USC the luxury of playing its 12-game schedule, getting to New Orleans and smashing its opponent in the BCS Championship Game. THEN we will open that discussion. Anything less, and all bets are off.

For now, we can only go on history. And even that can be debated well into the night.

The best defense in college football history?

OK. I’ll take a crack at it with my top 10. But in this most impossible of handicapping situations, let’s set a few ground rules. History, in my mind, is modern history. We’ll call it the best defense in the last 50 years — a nice, round number — but we’ll find room here to mention Gen. Neyland’s 1939 Tennessee team (10 games, ZERO points allowed).

Oh, one more thing. Any team that didn’t capture at least a share of the national championship is hereby eliminated from consideration.

After all, how can you be called one of the greatest defensive teams of all time and NOT finish No. 1?

Here goes the countdown, in dramatic reverse order:

10. Arkansas, 1964: The Razorbacks outscored their last six regular-season opponents 134-7, then limited Nebraska to seven points in the Cotton Bowl. You can look it up — Alabama finished No. 1 in the AP and UPI polls. But in those days, those polls named a national champion before the bowl games (which would be outrageous in today’s climate). Arkansas, in fact, was the nation’s only unbeaten team and the Football Writers’ national champion. Due to the resulting controversy, AP and UPI immediately changed its policy and the 1965 national champion was crowned after New Year’s Day. Yes, already we have an Arkansas “asterisk team” in our stringent countdown, but work with me here, folks.

9. Oklahoma, 1985: Rebounded from a 27-14 home loss to Miami, in which Sooners QB Troy Aikman broke his leg, to capture the national title by defeating No. 1 Penn State 25-10 at the Orange Bowl. Defense carried Oklahoma, which limited Texas to 70 yards of total offense in the early season. Then it throttled Nebraska, the nation’s highest-scoring and best-rushing team, holding the Cornhuskers to zero points on offense and 161 rushing yards (234 yards below Nebraska’s season average). The stars were nose guard Tony Casillas, defensive end Kevin Murphy and linebacker Brian Bosworth.

8. Miami, 2001: Speed, speed and more speed was the trademark of the 12-0 Hurricanes. Miami finished with a flourish, outscoring Syracuse and Washington 124-7 to finish the regular season, then stomping Nebraska (and Heisman Trophy winner Eric Crouch) 37-14 at the Rose Bowl. The defense was filled with interchangeable parts. The young linebackers, just coming into their own, were led by D.J. Williams and Jonathan Vilma. And the secondary was beyond compare with Ed Reed, Mike Rumph and Phillip Buchanon.

7. Ohio State, 1968: Probably the best overall team in Buckeye history. It was jump-started by a 13-0 victory against No. 1-ranked Purdue. It stomped Michigan 50-14. And in the Rose Bowl, spotting a 10-point lead to USC and Heisman Trophy RB O.J. Simpson, the Buckeyes rallied for a 27-16 victory. Particularly memorable was a bone-jarring hit by Buckeyes defensive back Jack Tatum on Simpson near the goal line that prevented a touchdown. Defensive lineman Jim Stillwagon was among the team’s 11 sophomore starters.

6. Nebraska, 1995: Best-known for its offensive firepower, but the Cornhuskers were a dominant defensive team also. Shut down Florida’s “Fun ‘n’ Gun” offense and steamrolled to a 62-24 Fiesta Bowl victory for the national championship. Top defensive players were defensive lineman Christian Peter, linebacker Grant Wistrom and rover Mike Minter.

5. Oklahoma, 1974: The Sooners (11-0) were the nation’s only unbeaten team, finishing No. 1 in the AP poll, but probation denied them a consensus national title (USC, 10-1, was No. 1 in UPI). The Sooners squeaked past Texas 16-13, but no other opponent came within two touchdowns. There were three shutouts (two by 63-0 scores) and a 72-3 romp against Utah State. Defensive end Lee Roy Selmon, eventually the NFL draft’s No. 1 pick in 1976, and nose guard Dewey Selmon led the way up front, but the team’s most decorated defensive player was linebacker Rod Shoate.

4. Alabama, 1992: Best known for the 34-13 dismantling of unbeaten defending national champion Miami at the Sugar Bowl. With defensive back George Teague memorably stripping the ball away from audacious Hurricane receiver Lamar Thomas, and Crimson Tide defensive linemates Eric Curry and John Copeland creating havoc, Miami’s offense was rendered punchless (and speechless). Overall, the 13-0 Tide limited opponents to an average of 1.67 yards per rushing attempt.

3. Nebraska, 1971: There was notable blip, surrendering 31 points to Oklahoma, but we’ll let it slide. After all, this was Nebraska 35, Oklahoma 31 in the “Game of the Century.” The Cornhuskers returned to form with a 38-6 smashing of Alabama and running back Johnny Musso in the Orange Bowl. Overall, the Cornhuskers allowed more than seven points only three times all season. The defensive line, led by Rich Glover and Larry Jacobson, was outstanding.

2. Syracuse, 1959: The numbers seem like a series of misprints. Five shutouts. Kansas limited to 30 snaps. Boston University held to 25 total yards. Only 193 rushing yards allowed in 10 regular-season games. Only 59 points allowed. The Orange defeated Texas 23-14 at the Cotton Bowl to finish 11-0.

1. Alabama, 1961: The Crimson Tide allowed just 22 points in 10 regular-season games and rolled into the Sugar Bowl with a streak of five consecutive shutouts. That was halted — barely. Alabama defeated Arkansas 10-3 to complete its unbeaten season. Razorbacks wide receiver Lance Alworth, one of the best pass-catchers in college football history, was stymied by Alabama’s defense, led by linebacker Lee Roy Jordan.


There you go.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-20-2008, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Visitation between Wal-Mart & Home Depot
8,309 posts, read 34,399,423 times
Reputation: 7084
Quote:
Originally Posted by beowulf7 View Post
This is a serious question. Could Texas Tech U. beat the Detroit Lions?
The jump from high school to college is big. The jump from college to professional is even bigger. A college all-star team would almost certainly be unable to defeat even a 3rd tier NFL team. Also, old age and treachery trumps athleticism to a high degree.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-20-2008, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Kentucky/ Displaced Texan
3,106 posts, read 2,671,396 times
Reputation: 1024
Quote:
Originally Posted by Historic Bessemer View Post


So, USC and Texas played and Texas put up 41 on them? I'm confused..........oh, wait........you are speaking of 2005.

oh, I must have fallen asleep.............which one of those teams has won the 2008 championship?
Okay lets talk 2008 Defenses. The SEC plays defense right? So the 20th ranked defense in LSU at home would have no trouble beating a team like say ohh Troy. Wait a minute, they gave up 380 yards and 31 points hardly fitting with the SEC defensive powerhouses.

Your point about USC not having a all time top 10 defense, so what. Is Florida or Bamas defense a top 10 all time? No. USC had one of the best defenses in 05 and lost to a high powered offense that was my point which you missed.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-20-2008, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Wilmington, NC
8,575 posts, read 6,354,022 times
Reputation: 835
but LSU is a three loss team and can't play offense because their quarterback was kicked off the team. it's hard to play defense when your offense has a 3 and out all the time. the only thing I will say about USC, is that they have been overrated quite a bit. these "pro" players that USC is usually stacked with turn out to be busts. think of all the busts on that 2005 team.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Packersnut21 View Post
Okay lets talk 2008 Defenses. The SEC plays defense right? So the 20th ranked defense in LSU at home would have no trouble beating a team like say ohh Troy. Wait a minute, they gave up 380 yards and 31 points hardly fitting with the SEC defensive powerhouses.

Your point about USC not having a all time top 10 defense, so what. Is Florida or Bamas defense a top 10 all time? No. USC had one of the best defenses in 05 and lost to a high powered offense that was my point which you missed.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-20-2008, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Historic Bessemer Alabama
629 posts, read 3,302,947 times
Reputation: 484
Quote:
Originally Posted by Packersnut21 View Post
Okay lets talk 2008 Defenses. The SEC plays defense right? So the 20th ranked defense in LSU at home would have no trouble beating a team like say ohh Troy. Wait a minute, they gave up 380 yards and 31 points hardly fitting with the SEC defensive powerhouses.

Your point about USC not having a all time top 10 defense, so what. Is Florida or Bamas defense a top 10 all time? No. USC had one of the best defenses in 05 and lost to a high powered offense that was my point which you missed.

and would have gotten hammered alot worse had they played an SEC defense!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-20-2008, 11:49 AM
 
Location: TX
5,412 posts, read 14,318,207 times
Reputation: 1700
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimboburnsy View Post
The jump from high school to college is big. The jump from college to professional is even bigger. A college all-star team would almost certainly be unable to defeat even a 3rd tier NFL team. Also, old age and treachery trumps athleticism to a high degree.
I agree that the talent of the Lions is far superior to the talent of the Red Raiders. But, the team that plays better can beat a team that has more talented individual players. For e.g., look at how other countries' basketball teams beat the more talented American basketball players for the past couple Olympics and World Championships until Team USA finally fixed the sinking ship this past Aug.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > College Football
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top