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Old 10-03-2013, 10:54 AM
 
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UMass jumping up to FBS in football was the single dumbest move in college athletics history.
Its not working out so well yet. It could eventually be more competitive with time, and they are probably bringing in more revenue now, so its pretty bad on the field, but will probably work out for them in the long run.

I would nominate the Big East trying to add Boise St and San Diego St as football only members for the top spot of 'dumbest move in college athletic history' .... (which could make for a good, but separate tread)
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Old 10-03-2013, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Trumbull/Danbury
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UMass is in no man's land in the FBS which is why I said it was a dumb move. The only thing the MAC does for them is give them conference security and actually gives eastern Michigan a team to beat up on. If the Big east (American whatever it's called) loses UConn or USF OR any other schools in the next major realignment UMass would be a good fit for them to replace departed schools, but they are out of place in the MAC. They'd have been better off easing themselves in as an independent for a few years like UConn did. get their footing, get some FBS caliber recruits that can play and keep you competitive, independent let's you basically make your own schedule as your not bogged down playing conference. So the first couple years play some "money" games (ND, BC, Michigan, etc), play winnable games (old rivals UNH, Maine, URI, etc) and some tweeners (UConn, Temple, Buffalo, etc). That way making your own schedule you can inflate your record for a couple of years (start out at 2-10, then go to 4-8 than 6-6, 7-5), pitch that to better recruits, find a conference pitch that to recruits, and your good to go.

That was what UConn did. 2000 was the first year moving up, that year out of 11 games they played 2 conference rivals (URI, Northeastern) and another 1-AA team (Colgate) and finished 3-8. Not good, but year 1. In 2002 (year 3), they played 5 money games (GT, Miami, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech, Iowa state) finished 6-6, and ended the year winning 4 straight including a 17 point win over Iowa state. The next year was year 4, finished 9-3 able to get caliber 1-A recruits (Dan orlovsky & terry McCaulley was the RB I believe) and of those 2 losses 3 were close: 10 point loss at BC, and a 7 point loss to phillip Rivers NC State team where a late INT sealed the Wolfpack win, but by then the foundation was laid. The next year (2004) was the first year in the Big East, the second year with a state-of-the-art stadium (rentschelaer field which opened in 2003) so not only do you have those 2 facts to pitch to on-the-fence recruits, you can pitch in the fact you had back-to-back highly successful season (6-6 in 02; 9-3 in 03) and are clearly on the up-swing.

I applaud UMass for trying, but they jumped straight in without looking around and surveying other alternatives. About the only thing UMass has going for them is that they play in a NFL stadium, but that probably works against them as well. Sure, it's an NFL stadium, but it's an NFL stadium with 43,000 empty seats however.
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Old 10-04-2013, 12:04 PM
 
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This is a debate that will never be settled because of course - no college team will ever play a high school team.

But once again, if you pitted a Division III team like Mount Union against the top High School in the country, the spread would be in the 30's if not the 40's. For the guy who said it would be -3, you have obviously never seen them play. They routinely send players to NFL practice squads and have several standout players on rosters today.

Most players on the Mount Union squad were probably an All-District/All-state player in high school. A Top High School will have maybe 15-20 players of that caliber in a given year, maybe.

So the Mount Union special teams unit will be made up of all former All-District/All-State high school players - but now they are College freshman, sophomores, and juniors. What will the top high school be throwing out there? Vastly smaller and less talented HIGH SCHOOL freshman, sophomores, and seniors. I predict injuries, a lot of them.

Oh did I mention that every substitute that Mount Union throws into a game to give one of their starters a breather will most likely ALSO be a former All-District player? Good luck to the backups on that high-school team when they are called on.

There is absolutely no guarantee that any High School player with a D1 offer is going to develop into an NFL talent, whereas the Mount Union team would have juniors and seniors already playing at NFL-caliber levels.

Wouldn't even be close.
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Old 10-04-2013, 12:25 PM
 
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Well, some of the best HS football teams are as much into recruiting players as a lot of Div 1 schools and draw talent even from out of state.

Bad Div3 schools are essentially intramurals with pads and as such are a whole lot "purer" sportswise than some of the "football preparatory" highschools.
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Old 10-09-2013, 06:10 PM
 
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This is a debate that will never be settled because of course - no college team will ever play a high school team.

But once again, if you pitted a Division III team like Mount Union against the top High School in the country, the spread would be in the 30's if not the 40's. For the guy who said it would be -3, you have obviously never seen them play. They routinely send players to NFL practice squads and have several standout players on rosters today.

Most players on the Mount Union squad were probably an All-District/All-state player in high school. A Top High School will have maybe 15-20 players of that caliber in a given year, maybe.

So the Mount Union special teams unit will be made up of all former All-District/All-State high school players - but now they are College freshman, sophomores, and juniors. What will the top high school be throwing out there? Vastly smaller and less talented HIGH SCHOOL freshman, sophomores, and seniors. I predict injuries, a lot of them.

Oh did I mention that every substitute that Mount Union throws into a game to give one of their starters a breather will most likely ALSO be a former All-District player? Good luck to the backups on that high-school team when they are called on.

There is absolutely no guarantee that any High School player with a D1 offer is going to develop into an NFL talent, whereas the Mount Union team would have juniors and seniors already playing at NFL-caliber levels.

Wouldn't even be close.

Not for nothing, but you're talking about a D3 team that has won it's conference every year since 1992 and has picked up 7 of the prior 12 national titles

Doesn't exactly fit into the question which is best HS vs worst D3, does it?
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