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Old 10-26-2009, 12:04 AM
 
Location: New Mexico to Texas
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Unbeaten Iowa pulls it out in the final two seconds against unranked Michigan State. Alabama holds off unranked Tennessee on the last play. Iowa jumps to fourth and Alabama stays at #2. After all, great teams just know how to win (even when they barely beat unranked opponents).

Meanwhile, Boise State trounces Hawaii and Cincinnati rolls Louisville continuing undefeated seasons but moving down in the rankings. After all, when they beat unranked teams it is said that they don't play anyone tough.

BCS proponents can't have it both ways. You can't say that small conference teams don't have a tough enough schedule because they don't have enough ranked opponents while at the same time rewarding big conference teams for pulling off wins against unranked teams.

And then there is USC... They lost to unranked Washington. They shouldn't be anywhere near the top of the rankings. If TCU had lost to Washington they wouldn't be ranked in the top ten!

The BCS is just wrong in so many ways.

I agree, if TCU lost to Washington then they wouldnt be in the top 10, but here is the thing, the teams in the WAC are not as good as the teams in the SEC, even if they both have loosing records they just play a different level of football.

WAC has teams like

San Jose St.
New Mexico St.
Hawaii
Idaho
Louisiana Tech
Nevada
Utah St
Fresno St.
Boise St. (I know they could give comp to most any team though in the top 25)

the SEC has teams like

Tennessee
Georgia
Ole Miss
Mississippi St.
Arkansas
Vanderbilt
Auburn
Kentucky
Alabama
LSU
South Carolina
Florida

a unranked team like Georgia could manhandle a team like San Jose St.

a unranked team like Arkansas could tear up Louisiana Tech

a unranked team like Auburn would tear up a team like New Mexico St(which they did a couple years ago)


New Mexico St. is playing Ohio St on Saturday so we will see how the WAC competes with the Big 10


and the same comparisons go for the WAC and the Big 10 and the Big 12
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Old 10-26-2009, 02:20 AM
 
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So we should reward teams that play weak schedules. Kind of like naming a world champion from the minor leagues in baseball IMO.
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Old 10-26-2009, 02:47 AM
 
Location: Invercargill, New Zealand
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I agree, if TCU lost to Washington then they wouldnt be in the top 10, but here is the thing, the teams in the WAC are not as good as the teams in the SEC, even if they both have loosing records they just play a different level of football.

WAC has teams like

San Jose St.
New Mexico St.
Hawaii
Idaho
Louisiana Tech
Nevada
Utah St
Fresno St.
Boise St. (I know they could give comp to most any team though in the top 25)

the SEC has teams like

Tennessee
Georgia
Ole Miss
Mississippi St.
Arkansas
Vanderbilt
Auburn
Kentucky
Alabama
LSU
South Carolina
Florida

a unranked team like Georgia could manhandle a team like San Jose St.

a unranked team like Arkansas could tear up Louisiana Tech

a unranked team like Auburn would tear up a team like New Mexico St(which they did a couple years ago)


New Mexico St. is playing Ohio St on Saturday so we will see how the WAC competes with the Big 10


and the same comparisons go for the WAC and the Big 10 and the Big 12
Lol hardly a fair matchup, argulaby the weakest WAC team vs a top Big 10 team, I'm expecting Ohio State to put 70 on them..... honestly, but with our weakest team playing a good Big 10 team won't be a comparison on the WAC V Big 10.

But yeah I see your point and kinda take back what I k said above about agreeing with his points. With Alabama scrapping past Tenn, Tenn isn't really what you would consider a weak team. Pretty much any team in all of the big conferences would manhandle New Mexico State.
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Old 10-26-2009, 08:09 AM
 
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Unbeaten Iowa pulls it out in the final two seconds against unranked Michigan State. Alabama holds off unranked Tennessee on the last play. Iowa jumps to fourth and Alabama stays at #2. After all, great teams just know how to win (even when they barely beat unranked opponents).

Meanwhile, Boise State trounces Hawaii and Cincinnati rolls Louisville continuing undefeated seasons but moving down in the rankings. After all, when they beat unranked teams it is said that they don't play anyone tough.

BCS proponents can't have it both ways. You can't say that small conference teams don't have a tough enough schedule because they don't have enough ranked opponents while at the same time rewarding big conference teams for pulling off wins against unranked teams.

And then there is USC... They lost to unranked Washington. They shouldn't be anywhere near the top of the rankings. If TCU had lost to Washington they wouldn't be ranked in the top ten!

The BCS is just wrong in so many ways.
The very nature of the BCS is to gain accuracy as more data comes in. Early on, it's erratic and can have reversals and strange weeks but by the end of the season it's a lot more durable.

I don't understand all the fixation with the rankings since the season is still fresh, if your teams are good they will keep winning and will work their way up the rankings. It matters where they are at the end of the season....not the beginning or middle.
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Old 10-26-2009, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Boise, ID
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The very nature of the BCS is to gain accuracy as more data comes in. Early on, it's erratic and can have reversals and strange weeks but by the end of the season it's a lot more durable.

I don't understand all the fixation with the rankings since the season is still fresh, if your teams are good they will keep winning and will work their way up the rankings. It matters where they are at the end of the season....not the beginning or middle.
I understand what you are saying but we all know that USC, who lost to unranked and currently 3-5 Washington, will get a title shot long before Boise State, TCU or Cincinnati will. So will LSU if they beat Alabama.
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Boise, ID
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a unranked team like Georgia could manhandle a team like San Jose St.

a unranked team like Arkansas could tear up Louisiana Tech

a unranked team like Auburn would tear up a team like New Mexico St(which they did a couple years ago)
I agree that the above outcomes are likely. However, the best of the WAC and Mountain West have proven they can play against any team in the nation.

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So we should reward teams that play weak schedules. Kind of like naming a world champion from the minor leagues in baseball IMO.
We see unranked teams upset the top ranked teams nearly every week. So while the SEC and PAC-10 do play a higher level of football, in general, than the WAC (but maybe not the Mountain West), going undefeated is a feat no matter who you are playing. Just ask Pittsburgh (lost to NC State), Ohio State (lost to unranked Purdue), Houston (lost to UTEP), Miami FL (lost to Clemson), etc....

But isn't that the purpose of the polls, to recognize team no matter where they play? Are you saying that Boise State should never get a title shot?
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Old 10-26-2009, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Englewood, Near Eastside Indy
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Are you saying that Boise State should never get a title shot?
As long as Boise State is in the WAC, and the WAC stays as is as far as strength in the current BCS system, they should NEVER get a sniff at the national title.
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Old 10-26-2009, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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Look at Boise State's schedule. Outside of Oregon, it's laughable. The BCS is a joke all right, but only because pretenders like Boise, Cincinnati and TCU are in the top ten.....They shouldn't even be in the top 20.

Oregon
Miami (OH)
at Fresno State
at Bowling Green
UC Davis
at Tulsa
at Hawaii
San Jose State
at Louisiana Tech
Idaho
at Utah State
Nevada
New Mexico State
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Old 10-26-2009, 11:48 AM
 
Location: California
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USC should never have lost to Washington. But they are where they should be, and as long as they win out, they wont play for the national championship, just play in the Rose Bowl and beat up on the Big 10 winner.

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Unbeaten Iowa pulls it out in the final two seconds against unranked Michigan State. Alabama holds off unranked Tennessee on the last play. Iowa jumps to fourth and Alabama stays at #2. After all, great teams just know how to win (even when they barely beat unranked opponents).

Meanwhile, Boise State trounces Hawaii and Cincinnati rolls Louisville continuing undefeated seasons but moving down in the rankings. After all, when they beat unranked teams it is said that they don't play anyone tough.

BCS proponents can't have it both ways. You can't say that small conference teams don't have a tough enough schedule because they don't have enough ranked opponents while at the same time rewarding big conference teams for pulling off wins against unranked teams.

And then there is USC... They lost to unranked Washington. They shouldn't be anywhere near the top of the rankings. If TCU had lost to Washington they wouldn't be ranked in the top ten!

The BCS is just wrong in so many ways.
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Old 10-26-2009, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Funky Town, Texas
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I understand what you are saying but we all know that USC, who lost to unranked and currently 3-5 Washington, will get a title shot long before Boise State, TCU or Cincinnati will. So will LSU if they beat Alabama.
I am telling you guys TCU football team could beat Florida, Alabama, or Texas. This is not your average mid major this team deserves a title shot if they go undefeated. The best defensive team I have seen all year has been TCU. This is why a playoff scenario would make perfect sense. I would love to see TCU to show up and bring it to these so call powerhouse conferences.
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