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No it is not. Michigan accepts sub-par minority students over much more qualified non-minority students just to fill a quota.
Incredibly racist AND wrong. Check yo standardized test bands:
Michigan
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SAT
CR: 600-700
Math: 650-750
Writing: 620-720
ACT Composite
28-32
OSU
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SAT
CR: 540-660
Math: 600-700
Writing: 550-650
ACT Composite
26-30
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Originally Posted by jobaba
Yes, Pitt is comparable to Rutgers.
If your friends had that going on, then they had a kick arse GPA or resume or something else special going on, because my sis had a 3.3 or 3.4 from Columbia and real good (not awesome) MCAT scores and got in nowhere the first time before she reapplied (2nd time she got into multiple places).
I also know several people who went to various Ivy League schools and MIT for premed and very few of them got into top 20 schools. We're talking about admittance into middle of the pack med schools, which really is very good.
So I stand by my original statement ... a 3.3 at Rutgers and you'd have to start thinking about alternate options to American MD school.
Not that I care at all ... I never even applied or was interested in an MD myself. I just know so many people who went that route, I'm kind of familiar with it.
Yes, and I'm trying to say your sister would probably have gotten somewhat higher than a 3.3 or 3.4 if she had gone to, say, Binghamton or Buffalo, which makes it more or less even out. I'm not denying that top schools don't provide perks state schools simply can't offer. I'm just saying that as far as most grad schools go you'll end up in about the same place if you put in the same amount of work. You can't coast on UG prestige alone.
Incredibly racist AND wrong. Check yo standardized test bands:
Michigan
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SAT
CR: 600-700
Math: 650-750
Writing: 620-720
ACT Composite
28-32
OSU
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SAT
CR: 540-660
Math: 600-700
Writing: 550-650
ACT Composite
26-30
Yes, and I'm trying to say your sister would probably have gotten somewhat higher than a 3.3 or 3.4 if she had gone to, say, Binghamton or Buffalo, which makes it more or less even out. I'm not denying that top schools don't provide perks state schools simply can't offer. I'm just saying that as far as most grad schools go you'll end up in about the same place if you put in the same amount of work. You can't coast on UG prestige alone.
Go read your history books. The University of Michigan lost a lawsuit several years ago because the school was admitting lesser-qualified minority students over more-qualified non-minority students.
Go read your history books. The University of Michigan lost a lawsuit several years ago because the school was admitting lesser-qualified minority students over more-qualified non-minority students.
I know the cases, breh. I actually read them in Con Law this semester. The fact that Michigan was singled out does not change the fact that just about every undergraduate institution practices a similar form of affirmative action, including, gasp, the Ivies! I doubt OSU is any exception to the rule. What Michigan did wrong was explicitly apportion a disproportionate number of "points" to ethnic status. It's not hard for universities with nominally "holistic" systems to do the exact same thing and still pass constitutional muster, a fact the concurring justices were eager to point out.
And who cares if Berkeley and UVA are state schools? They're still superior to the vast majority of private universities. They're certainly better than Syracuse, GW, and Miami, which, while certainly decent schools, are still on the same plane as Rutgers, Pitt, Penn State, OSU, etc.
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Most people are not choosing between "Stanford" and a "T4" school.
There are many good schools in between and in the top 364 colleges. I think a high GPA at any of those colleges, and even some not included in those, would be better than a 2.3 at a name college.
But I am not talking about a college that accepts everyone either.
And who cares if Berkeley and UVA are state schools? They're still superior to the vast majority of private universities. They're certainly better than Syracuse, GW, and Miami, which, while certainly decent schools, are still on the same plane as Rutgers, Pitt, Penn State, OSU, etc.
And Case-Western and Rose-Hulman are better than any of those.
And Case-Western and Rose-Hulman are better than any of those.
Overall, Case Western is halfway between them. Case's engineering and sciences are tops, but a lot of its "softer" liberal arts programs are quite dismal. Michigan and Berkeley are far better-balanced, and with better business schools to boot (and their science-related programs are no slouches either). Rose-Hulman I am not as familiar with, but given that it's a small specialty school, you can't really directly compare them anyway.
Go read your history books. The University of Michigan lost a lawsuit several years ago because the school was admitting lesser-qualified minority students over more-qualified non-minority students.
Michigan was a different affirmative action situation, in which the system they adopted to promote affirmative action was failing to achieve it because it assessed groups and not individuals for their contributions to campus diversity, and so was thrown out. It did not affect the admissions opportunities of non-minority students (especially since Michigan is not a competitive system). Gratz v. Bollinger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Michigan was a different affirmative action situation, in which the system they adopted to promote affirmative action was failing to achieve it because it assessed groups and not individuals for their contributions to campus diversity, and so was thrown out. It did not affect the admissions opportunities of non-minority students (especially since Michigan is not a competitive system). Gratz v. Bollinger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You're thinking of the holistic AA schema used for Michigan's Law School (Grutter v. Bollinger), which was upheld. But the points system they used for undergraduate admissions (Gratz v. Bollinger) was struck down.
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