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You ever been to a high school? Counselors there still tell students to major in anything they want if they like it and the jobs will simply follow. They don't do a good deal of justice to kids when they use that scenario and don't tell students what degree is being hired right now and so forth. So the kids graduate high school, go to college believing what they were told by their counselors is true, get a degree in something that doesn't give them a lot of marketable skills yet they believe they can/should get a good paying job, and end up looking for jobs months later after their friends have jobs in fields that were hiring.
If you don't believe what I just typed, then go to a local high school. The counselors still say the same b.s.
College students who are 18-20 are naive little buggers who believe anything. It doesn't come back to bite them in the you know what until they graduate college and are now trying to compete in the real world.
So just because that particular counselors gave your or anybody else bad information, that means the whole system is a scam??
Everyone I know who graduated with me got $100K+ jobs
Some scam.
Is the biggest scam of all...
You get educated, pick the degree you want, and then you get a 100k+ job,
Yeap, a big scam...
I can't believe I have 2 masters degree making above 200K, I think I should return my degrees and go back to work 8 dollars and hour, and not be part of this scam.
Believe me highly educated CEOs and CFOs are out partying and conducting extremely unethical behaviors on a regular basis without real consequences. It's not just college students who are drunks. It is also older formally educated adults who are gluttons for fried food, alcohol, sex, and drugs.
BTW the parties in college are terrible: obtuse themed parties filled with obtuse pretentious idiots. Unless it's an art reception. At least you are learning something at a reception or a poetry reading.
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What experience? You mean getting so hammered out of your mind you probably wont remember it anyways? That is pretty much what the "college experience" amounts to. You get four free years to party your arse off without any real consequences, because if you do in the real world it can permanently damage your life and career. Most people who go to college for the "experience" go because they are spoiled and want to delay real adulthood i.e. have the freedom of an adult without the responsibility. The rest go because it has pretty much become a necessity for all but the most basic of career fields.
Not for nothing - but with the logic of the OP I highly doubt you are getting into Furman, so you don't have to worry about it.
As for my opinion, it's wise to chose your major and schools carefully. Would it make sense to spend $30k a year to obtain a teaching degree and then work in the public schools? - Probably not.
The way that teaching is setup you need to hit the qualifiers for the position - you do that you're fine regardless of if you pay $5k or $50k. Make the most out of your student teaching, build a good portfolio, network - that is how you gain your employment.
In fact, most states have a state school that at one point was "the teachers college" - these are often better bets for placement than a private university.
If I were going to teach I would of went to CC for 2 years and then transferred to a state school with a good education program and network. I would of gotten out of it with minimal debt.
Even if it was $20k in debt when all was said and done and I was starting at $27k per year, it's not all that bad.
Four years out of highschool in a service job I would be lucky to make $13/hr (which would be $27k per year). That would be for a full year and with benefits well below what most teachers receive (healthcare & what not)
Then factor in that as an educator you can tutor, work summer school or find additional ways to earn money in your off time it's easy to separate yourself even further.
Also, that is your starting point - not your ceiling. Your salary is going to outpace that of a service worker or some other unskilled position.
So under this scenario you may have an additional $2,500 or so for the first decade to offset until you pay off your loan - but then you are debt free with higher income potential for the next 30+ years of your life.
Not to mention that once tenure is acheived you will have a decent amount of job security.
So while it may not be logical to attend a high priced private university for a standard teaching job, it doesn't mean it's not logical to intelligently select your education path or that you will end up worse than someone who skips college as a path.
Too many have the short run view on things and really don't understand how long this life is.
Why the need to insult? Shame on you. I stopped reading after that. I figured if you felt the need to belittle and insult with an ad hominen, then the rest of your post can't be worth too much either. I'll take someone that is civil and polite and does not have a degree over some boorish, rude condescending college graduate any day.
Nice vocabulary. You already sound formally educated.
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Why the need to insult? Shame on you. I stopped reading after that. I figured if you felt the need to belittle and insult with an ad hominen, then the rest of your post can't be worth too much either. I'll take someone that is civil and polite and does not have a degree over some boorish, rude condescending college graduate any day.
College isn't a scam it is a commodity you purchase with your money. Whether a student loan or savings from summer jobs it is still your money so spend wisely knowing you will have to pay it back.
A commodity denotes a return on your investment. The majority of students, regardless of their degree come out of school thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. Often times their entire salary the first year or two is less than what they owe in loans. That's a horrible ROI.
Everyone I know who graduated with me got $100K+ jobs
Some scam.
Yet you didn't know that anecdotal evidence is not always the norm?
A philosophy major could post, "Everyone I know who graduated with me is now working at Starbucks." Why does your anecdote take precedence over theirs?
So of course you are going to encourage everyone to drop out of HS as that is the path to a job?
If you had it all to do over again would you drop out of HS?
So....... you're a college grad, but do not know the difference between college and high school. Guess you couldn't have gotten in to Furman either.
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