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I really would like to get everyone perspective. The University of Michigan finally removed the ban on affirmative action, which is a good thing. I think it is good because there are so man homogenous universities. Diversity is needed, and hopefully along the way integration could follow. Man young people have open minds so I think they would be in support of it as well. What do the conservative folks of city data feel about affirmative action and the ruling at the U of M.
I think affirmative action is racist, MLK Jr. would not support this technique.
As a minority I'd be insulted by this practice and question why others feel the need to label me by my race.
I don't agree with it at all. It is one way to discriminate against whites--which is apparently ok in this country . Applications to colleges should be colorblind, but they are not. You have a distinct advantage getting into college, especially top colleges if you are a person of color or come from a disadvantaged background already. A lesser candidate from one of these backgrounds will get chosen over a white candidate (male or female) to fill demographics. It is what it is. How about if everyone that wants to go to college works hard in high school .
I know of people that have been MORE qualified for jobs, etc. that have lost out to women or people of color because they were white males. That just is not right.
If you also lived amongst blacks and latinos you would probably know MORE of them who missed out on jobs, and promotions because they WEREN't white males themselves. The pendulum swings both ways.
Personally, I think the topic is a whinefest for Caucasians who seem to have sudden revelations that we live in a utopian society whenever this issue is brought up.
It's also laughable that MANY whites think that they get into Universities, jobs and promotions based on "hard work" and that their race (or lack there of) has nothing to do with it.
I don't believe you. Being a Conservative and supportive of AA, what in God's name have you done to influence your extremely misguided and bigoted colleagues regarding this 880 lb gorilla in the room? What personally have you done to advance the cause of eliminating the current effects of past wrongs? Beyond claiming that you support AA on a message board, probably not one thing, except to support candidates who oppose AA. You are a member of a party that is staggeringly ignorant on this front. Merely saying you believe, while doing nothing about it, makes you part of the problem does it not?
About "bringing politics into this", you have this backwards. Race, racial discrimination, bigotry are a facet of every topic, even politics. I just merely note that being Conservative is synonymous with promoting bigotry, continuing racial inequality disfavoring blacks, and continuing the hierarachy that unfairly emerged from slavery that placed blacks at a societal disadvantage. This aspect is critical in understanding the continuing need for this equalizing mechanism.
You are a member of a party that opposes any form of AA. Presumably voting for Pub candidates, your actions are not consistent with what you "support" it appears. In effect, you essentially are opposing AA by your actions. Such "support" is no support in my book.
Finally, I don't see politics as "black and white", but effective and ineffective. Conservatives have been ineffective and are the central reason why were are struggling now. That last Conservative President stunk. The mind of the Conservative appears to be as nimble as a slab of stone and this country is suffering as a result. AA is but one topic of many affected by this regressive ideology. You cannot resolve the inequalities created by past wrongs by pretending they no longer exist. This is absurd and the reason why any argument in support of AA is far superior than any that oppose it.
conservative does not equal republican...
I happen to be independent...wow...talk about jumping to conclusions...sure seems to be like you see politics in black and white. Conservative equals repub to you and liberal equals democrat.
Can I call you a tree hugger, hippie, vegan, because you are liberal?????
How about a socialist??
See what I did there?
Talk about being ignorant.
I also support it through the development of science and application to practice.
What exactly have you done to support AA?
Notice how I know what I am talking about and can back it up with statistical and scientific evidence, yet all you do is spew garbage and liberal talking points from your mouth?
I also teach the psychology of racial prejudice and discrimination at the university level....hmm......don't worry I won't expect an apology from you for jumping to insane conclusions...
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Every Conservative will oppose it, this is nothing new. Doing so shows a level of cluelessness that rivals George Bush's knowledge of how to balance a budget. The reasons for their opposition are simply pathetic and misinformed.
AA is absolutely right.Past wrongs have created current inequities and an unfair hierarachy and AA is the current and evolving mechanism to address this. Pretending as if everyone is "equal" is "colorblind racism" and simply a modern form of Jim Crow. Supporters of AA overwhelmingly hold the superior view here.
So you're essentially saying you believe discrimination should be countered with government enforced discrimination. The only winner in your supposedly colorblind solution is government.
As an aside it's more than a little pathetic to see your attempt at coloring your beloved liberal Democrats as supporters of racial equality. The Democrat party has a long and easily verified history of racism and ties to the KKK. Past wrongs made no difference to you and other adherents to liberal philosophy when your members repeatedly reelected Byrd and advanced the political careers of infamous racists like Hugo Black.
Climb off your supposed moral high horse. The history of your party is rife with discrimination. To claim otherwise is disingenuous. Your inane and inaccurate claims of Democratic support of racial equality are easily disproved. The sad fact that you cling to and attempt to use your false claims as an example of non-existent liberal tolerance and diversity serve as a clear example of the utter hypocrisy of your claims.
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Let's stick to the topic and not point fingers at each other.
I know of people that have been MORE qualified for jobs, etc. that have lost out to women or people of color because they were white males. That just is not right.
Wow...where are these jobs? I am a college-educated Black women and it has been very tough for me to get a job.
So the standards for certain groups are lowered while raising the standard for another group is equal?
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Even though the Supreme Court ruled in 2003 that universities can continue to consider race in admissions in the interest of diversity, admissions officers deny they’re screening out Asian-Americans. However, in researching their 2009 book No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal, Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and found what looks like different standards for different racial groups. They calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African-Americans who got 1100. Whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian-Americans.
I think affirmative action should be based on socioeconomic background, NOT RACE.
otherwise there are plenty of economically-advantaged racial minorities (ppl who are 1/16th Native American) who benefit while the poor kids (any race) fall further behind. Really unfair.
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. Applications to colleges should be colorblind, but they are not. You have a distinct advantage getting into college, especially top colleges if you are a person of color or come from a disadvantaged background already. A lesser candidate from one of these backgrounds will get chosen over a white candidate (male or female) to fill demographics. It is what it is. How about if everyone that wants to go to college works hard in high school 
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The reasons for their opposition are simply pathetic and misinformed.
