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Unread 11-02-2011, 01:06 PM
 
Location: NC
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Or you can choose to go to a school that doesn't put you into debt. My university has a "no loan" policy. They provide grants in lieu of loans.
This is the exception not the rule.... Grants? Paid for by who? The government/taxpayers or donors?

Fact is that average college educations now cost around $17,000 per year.
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Unread 11-02-2011, 01:10 PM
 
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This is the exception not the rule.... Grants? Paid for by who? The government/taxpayers or donors?

Fact is that average college educations now cost around $17,000 per year.
The University's endowment. Who else?

Sure, education is expensive.... but if you choose wisely, you don't need to go in debt.
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Unread 11-02-2011, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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At my university, liberal arts students have to take lab science and math courses. They certainly don't have to take engineering classes. What are you expecting them to take in order to be well rounded?
Yes at your mysteriously university. Liberal arts degree programs (English, History, etc) rarely, if ever, have mathematics requirements. Here are the requirements to Stanford's English program:

Undergraduate Studies | Stanford University Department of English

Not a single science and math requirement. The university doesn't have any general math requirement either, but it does require 2 science classes. Also, having a lab requirement doesn't make a science class rigorous, most universities have science courses with labs oriented towards non-majors (also known as dumped down science classes...). Typical courses to that end are "Astronomy", "Geology", "Environmental Science", "Fundamentals of Biology", etc. Looking at some dirt, the sky, etc doesn't exactly teach you much about science... It can be fun though, which is why Astronomy, etc are so popular with liberal arts majors.
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Unread 11-02-2011, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Or, alternately, everything.
Which is ironically, just another way to say "nothing".
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Unread 11-02-2011, 01:48 PM
 
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Computer Networking is a good degree to go for. And it's one which will be hard to send overseas because much of the job is actually pulling cards and wires from the actual machines themselves and only the techs who know what they are doing can do that. So long as we have mobile devices in America, we'll need people to network and maintain and support them...

But, I'm totally guilty of judging a degree as "useless". Photography, for example. Art History. I mean these things are interesting sure, but you're not going to graduate and then land a job which earns enough to pay those school loans back within any reasonable amount of time.

Get your serious degree first, then get your good job, then go back to school to study your passion. Because if you do your passion first, you might be able to take really pretty pictures and have fascinating discussions with interesting people but you'll be in debt up past your eyebrows and you'll prolly be living in an apartment for a very long time.
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Unread 11-02-2011, 01:55 PM
 
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Or you can choose to go to a school that doesn't put you into debt. My university has a "no loan" policy. They provide grants in lieu of loans.

What Uni is this? I would like to know... in our not-so-distant future we have two kiddos to help through college...
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Unread 11-02-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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Yes at your mysteriously university. Liberal arts degree programs (English, History, etc) rarely, if ever, have mathematics requirements. Here are the requirements to Stanford's English program:

Undergraduate Studies | Stanford University Department of English

Not a single science and math requirement. The university doesn't have any general math requirement either, but it does require 2 science classes. Also, having a lab requirement doesn't make a science class rigorous, most universities have science courses with labs oriented towards non-majors (also known as dumped down science classes...). Typical courses to that end are "Astronomy", "Geology", "Environmental Science", "Fundamentals of Biology", etc. Looking at some dirt, the sky, etc doesn't exactly teach you much about science... It can be fun though, which is why Astronomy, etc are so popular with liberal arts majors.
That's interesting considering Stanford is a decent school. I was looking at my university requirements of A.B./Lib Arts and it looks like they dropped the math requirements and replaced it with a course called "Quantitative Reasoning" for incoming 2013 students. They also scrapped the science requirements and replaced it with "Science and Technology w/ lab" requirements. Not sure what that is.

Anyways, like I've said before, not everything is about math and science.
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Unread 11-02-2011, 02:13 PM
 
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What Uni is this? I would like to know... in our not-so-distant future we have two kiddos to help through college...
I basically chose to go to the school closest to my parent's home. It's often cheaper if you go closer to home... cuts out a bunch of expenses. It's not the best way to choose a school, but it worked out for me. They actually have a good network.

Princeton University - Welcome

I studied computer science. If they had a business school, it's likely that I would have continued to work on my masters there.
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Unread 11-02-2011, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Anyways, like I've said before, not everything is about math and science.
Gee, really? Nobody is suggesting that "math and science" are everything, instead, that they are rather important subjects. An education can hardly be called "well rounded" if it excludes them.
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Unread 11-02-2011, 02:14 PM
 
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This is the exception not the rule.... Grants? Paid for by who? The government/taxpayers or donors?

Fact is that average college educations now cost around $17,000 per year.
You are pretty dumb if you are paying 17k a year unless it's for graduate school. The only number that matters is average debt upon graduation. Which is under 20k for many public universities.
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