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is a HUGE myth that keeps perpetuating the oversupply of science and engineering PhDs. If you actually look at who is calling for more STEM degrees it is law organizations that get huge amounts of profits pulling in foreign students with stem degrees, businesses that would like to have an oversupply of scientists and engineers so they can keep wages low, and universities that need thousands of low paying post-docs and grad students to keep their research going with very low labor costs. It's an exploitative system, it isn't that Americans aren't smart enough to study engineering and science, it's rather that they are too smart to study it. Why go into fields that are dead ends and low paying?
It’s not insufficient schooling or a shortage of scientists. It’s a lack of job opportunities. Americans need the reasonable hope that spending their youth preparing to do science will provide a satisfactory career.
is a HUGE myth that keeps perpetuating the oversupply of science and engineering PhDs. If you actually look at who is calling for more STEM degrees it is law organizations that get huge amounts of profits pulling in foreign students with stem degrees, businesses that would like to have an oversupply of scientists and engineers so they can keep wages low, and universities that need thousands of low paying post-docs and grad students to keep their research going with very low labor costs. It's an exploitative system, it isn't that Americans aren't smart enough to study engineering and science, it's rather that they are too smart to study it. Why go into fields that are dead ends and low paying?
is a HUGE myth that keeps perpetuating the oversupply of science and engineering PhDs. If you actually look at who is calling for more STEM degrees it is law organizations that get huge amounts of profits pulling in foreign students with stem degrees, businesses that would like to have an oversupply of scientists and engineers so they can keep wages low, and universities that need thousands of low paying post-docs and grad students to keep their research going with very low labor costs. It's an exploitative system, it isn't that Americans aren't smart enough to study engineering and science, it's rather that they are too smart to study it. Why go into fields that are dead ends and low paying?
It's an exploitative system, it isn't that Americans aren't smart enough to study engineering and science, it's rather that they are too smart to study it.
Yep, that's so American lol.
eta: a bit of back reading provided me with some insight. A 35k/yr QC chemist. I'm surprised they're not all outsourced by now.
Honestly I think part of the issue here is that people are mistaking STEM degree programs as some sort of vocational training and become disenfranchised when reality confronts them....that is when they find out that they actually have to talent, work at getting a good career, etc after graduation.
I remember as an undergrad being dumbfounded at people selling their textbooks in physics, differential eq, computer science, etc. I mean, did they believe that after the test they wouldn't have to use it anymore? I like to think these are the people that aren't finding meaningful jobs....
Honestly I think part of the issue here is that people are mistaking STEM degree programs as some sort of vocational training and become disenfranchised when reality confronts them....that is when they find out that they actually have to talent, work at getting a good career, etc after graduation.
Yes, as has been mentioned on this forum a million times now. I think it's a large part of the issue, especially for people with BS and MS degrees.
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I remember as an undergrad being dumbfounded at people selling their textbooks in physics, differential eq, computer science, etc. I mean, did they believe that after the test they wouldn't have to use it anymore? I like to think these are the people that aren't finding meaningful jobs....
As an OT aside, my dh and I have special bookcases for all our text books and we hold monthly chemistry nights. I can buy any text I want at work, but it's a thing we do together and it's nice.
I'm at the bottom of the totem pole on this debate but I seriously think there's a low number of graduates and people pursuing STEM related degrees due to lack of resources and excessive time crunches.
By this I mean that while there are plenty of talented people out there that can soak up knowledge like a sponge, there are those of us that see math/science related degrees as the cream-of-the-crop, but are horribly slow at the "building blocks" ourselves.
The way I see it there should be more instructors, more tutoring options made available and on-demand(as opposed to seeing a booked-up appointment-only schedule), and perhaps more time to cover things in math/science related courses.
I for one have a knack for how things work and how to make them from scratch. So engineering of some sort always looked like an appealing academic to go after.
I just hate not being able to get college algebra down after failing 4 times and then being told I'm not allowed to take it at that particular school anymore.
If I pay my own money for it, too bad, I'm getting it done.
I remember as an undergrad being dumbfounded at people selling their textbooks in physics, differential eq, computer science, etc. I mean, did they believe that after the test they wouldn't have to use it anymore? I like to think these are the people that aren't finding meaningful jobs....
I sold every overpriced text book that I could as an undergrad (and tried my damnedest to buy used books) since I had to pay my own way and could go to the library and get much better resources while in school. The only books I currently have in my stem are first editions from about a hundred years back that were given to me and are nothing more than antiquities. Anyone studying any of these subjects now can find much more relevant info online, or download pdfs or lectures without spending hundreds of dollars on a textbook.
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