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There's value to the piece of paper. I would wager that most people with good degrees from good schools do not apply the material they learned.
Including me.. you learn a lot of 'fundamental' but important skills in problem solving, critical thinking, etc. when pursuing a degree at a good school that are transferable to most jobs.
I'm thinking more along the lines of people today who went through the "system" like robots, going to a top school thinking it's a ticket to a well paying job but ended up working in fast food or retail. Not all graduates from the top schools are that way but it's still sad to think there are some (yeah the economy's a mess.) If they had the ability to graduate from, say, an ivy league school, some out of the box thinking should take them a long way..
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Originally Posted by ragnarkar
People with the creativity and the ability to take risk willing to start innovative new businesses.
What good is a top school's MBA and advanced degree if you can't put it to use?
Including me.. you learn a lot of 'fundamental' but important skills in problem solving, critical thinking, etc. when pursuing a degree at a good school that are transferable to most jobs.
I'm thinking more along the lines of people today who went through the "system" like robots, going to a top school thinking it's a ticket to a well paying job but ended up working in fast food or retail. Not all graduates from the top schools are that way but it's still sad to think there are some (yeah the economy's a mess.) If they had the ability to graduate from, say, an ivy league school, some out of the box thinking should take them a long way..
I see... I didn't consider that people could make it through good schools without learning the material.
I assumed that those who are in it for the paper, still had to learn the material in order to get the paper.
Thanks for all the observations, but I think we've strayed from the main question here In a world where *everyone* goes to grad/MBA/law/MD, who are the few people that manage to "get ahead", and what have they done that make them different from the millions of others who attended/graduated from the top-notch schools and interned at the most prestigious places?
It is called "motivation". I did not have wealthy parents who could loan me money to buy a house. I have a friend, he has worked the same job for 20 years. He was comfortable. His parents help him out, he gets by, has a nice house. I have moved several times, to get ahead, and earn more money. I often wonder, if I had rich parents would I have worked this hard?! Moved as much? No. I got ahead by moving any where for the best job
Motivation? I'm saying that we should assume, for the most part, that if someone is at a top-notch grad school/MBA/med/law, then they've already demonstrated "motivation", or at least the potential to compete on par with those who are motivated.
Many/most of today's highest-earning <40yo guys are CS undergrads from Stanford/Berk/IL/CMU or college dropouts and earned their greatest "alumni" cred not at any college but rather at some place like GOOG in its early days before its smartest engineers had retired
And some of older ~35yo stars were Wharton finance undergrads who had started at Goldman (where most early training for financiers happened) before moving on to more lucrative hedge funds (in ancient era when hedge funds paid more than leading-edge software cos.)
Era of MBA or MS/PhD in CS, etc ended back in early '90s for any smart kids...arguably tech/Net&self-learning has made entire concept of formal college education (let alone grad school) quite the costly Luddite miseducation path...hell, SV is dominated by college dropouts who are now >65yo (like Ellison), as well as <30yo dropouts, like the fb clowns...as well as numerous billionaire dropouts from Stanford's CS PhD pgm like ~55yo Bechtolsheim and the <40yo GOOG co-founders...
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