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Why don't we steer this back to discussing students at community college. We've gone on all sorts of topics including slavery.
Ok, here's my theory and it relates to what I said before: Since so many students are applying to 4 year colleges, the leftovers are the ones who are going to community colleges. These leftovers are even less qualified and intelligent than the leftovers in prior eras (who weren't that intelligent either).
Ok, here's my theory and it relates to what I said before: Since so many students are applying to 4 year colleges, the leftovers are the ones who are going to community colleges. These leftovers are even less qualified and intelligent than the leftovers in prior eras (who weren't that intelligent either).
Not necessarily. Often people do their first 2 years at a CC because it is cheaper, or because it is close to home and they want or need to stay home and commute, or because they need to take classes at odd times like nights or weekends. pr because they want or need to go to school part time. . . .
I think students tend to undervalue the importance of tenure. When selecting classes (at any good school), it is always in the students best interest to choose a class taught by a tenured professor.
There's some morons with tenure out there.
I'd rather choose based on the quality of the professor (And don't even TRY to say this is indicated by tenure lest I laugh in your face!)
I'd rather choose based on the quality of the professor (And don't even TRY to say this is indicated by tenure lest I laugh in your face!)
I guess my statement went a little too far. Tenure allows for higher quality professors than non-tenured professors. However, not all tenured professors are higher quality (although, it can very subjective).
It's in the best interest of the student to review the work and publishings of a professor before attending their classes.
Anyway, I was curious about this so I looked at harvard's financial aid calculator and this is what I came up with (this is for student from Texas):
Household Income > $250,000/yr = Tuition is $49,000/yr
Household Income > $200,000/yr = Tuition is $30,000/yr
Household Income > $150,000/yr = Tuition is $16,000/yr
Household Income > $100,000/yr = Tuition is $10,000/yr
Household Income > $50,000/yr = Tuition is $4,000/yr
Household Income < $50,000/yr = Tuition is $4,000/yr
^^ This is with all grants and scholarships lumped in.
Now compare that to a good state school where you will pay $5,000 - $10,000 per year no matter what your income level (with no grants/scholarships)... with grants and scholarships you could end up paying nothing or even making money to go there.
I think we can see that the private school will be just as expensive for some, but more expensive for a lot of others...
I don't know where you got those numbers but from the Harvard website:
All of our financial aid is awarded on the basis of demonstrated financial need – there are no academic, athletic or merit-based awards, and we meet the demonstrated need of every student, including international students, for all four years. We invite you to explore our web site for a detailed description of all aspects of our aid program, including our Harvard Financial Aid Initiative for low and moderate income students, under which families with incomes currently below $60,000 are not expected to contribute to college costs. Beginning in the fall of 2012, financial aid will be further expanded for low income students, when this income level will be increased to $65,000.
If your AGI is 180K or less you pay 10% of your income in costs. All loan aid is converted to grants so you graduate with zero debt unless you take private loans not through the federal program.
All of the Ivy's have similar income based tuition/fees/room/board.
Not really. The 09/10 average net price at Princeton was $17,568. Mizzou was at $15,202.
Now, Princeton's financial aid program is excellent. Low income students will find it a much better bargain than Mizzou ($4,995 vs $11,173 for the poorest students). But the average price ends up higher because a significant fraction of Princeton students come from very wealthy backgrounds and relatively few come from low-income backgrounds.
I don't know where you got those numbers but from the Harvard website:
All of our financial aid is awarded on the basis of demonstrated financial need – there are no academic, athletic or merit-based awards, and we meet the demonstrated need of every student, including international students, for all four years. We invite you to explore our web site for a detailed description of all aspects of our aid program, including our Harvard Financial Aid Initiative for low and moderate income students, under which families with incomes currently below $60,000 are not expected to contribute to college costs. Beginning in the fall of 2012, financial aid will be further expanded for low income students, when this income level will be increased to $65,000.
If your AGI is 180K or less you pay 10% of your income in costs. All loan aid is converted to grants so you graduate with zero debt unless you take private loans not through the federal program.
All of the Ivy's have similar income based tuition/fees/room/board.
I got the info from their financial aid calculator... try it for yourself... Net Price Calculator
I guess they need to update their calculator.
It's common sense that an ivy league school is going to have a far higher concentration of smart and driven people than your local community college. That does not mean that students from either set should be painted with such broad, blatantly positive/negative brushstrokes.
People need to remember that just as an elite university can't propel mediocre students to greatness, less prestigious schools won't hold back the truly talented (and I know plenty of people from both categories).
People need to remember that just as an elite university can't propel mediocre students to greatness, less prestigious schools won't hold back the truly talented (and I know plenty of people from both categories).
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