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Old 03-17-2012, 09:50 AM
 
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I make plenty of sense in exposing your all-knowing BS. You are the type of measure their own lives from a very narrow viewpoint which is evidenced by your failure in your current work and your grandious claims of securing something in the future. This is compared to the actual experience of someone who has achieved success in a manner which entirely contravenes your biased conclusions.

Again you are flip flopping and tossing out data from the lower echelons of the security field which are not even part of this discussion as was apparent from the beginning of this post. Security officer or guard is not a professional and in manner what the OP was asking or the following responses referring to. Now you say you have no interest nor tried in the field yet routinely post as if you are the all knowing authority. Typical person commenting authoritatively on a subject they know nothing about. Internet expert. Now you use the straw man approach of "bring in facts" I did with the real world. You have done nothing with your own failures and data from other equal losers. Every field must have leaders, drones and losers.

I actually provided the very best advice in the second para of my original post. You did not notice it because your self esteem was injured. Well too bad. Acting as the know-it-all is cool in college and fun on the Internet but fails quickly in the real world.
Again, how have I failed in my current work? I have a job when many people are unemployed. In this economy, it takes the average graduate 6 months to a year to find a job and I graduated 3 months ago. You keep on bringing this up and you can't even explain yourself. How are my claims grandiose? Expecting to earn $250k with a CJ degree is grandiose.

You have been using ONE personal experience that is not even your own. At least I am working in the security field and have been for several years. I've worked with the same companies that advertise private investigating and security consulting services, but they rarely have demand for them.

Much of my "all-knowing" advice does not come from me; it comes from people I know. I know a lot of police officers because of my line of work and most of them do not recommend getting a criminal justice degree. If you don't know any police officers, you can view the same advice on LEO forums. I also have professors and classmates who are current and former intelligence analysts/national security professionals who have given me advice. I also got referrals for two intelligence analyst jobs and I don't even have the desired degree or language skills yet. I may not get them over someone with veteran's preference, but anyone who has regularly applied for government jobs know that referrals aren't always easy to come by. You are the one who has no idea what he is talking about and haven't even said if you have experience with ANY kind of CJ work or coursework.

If you don't have facts, then all you have is anecdotal evidence based on one person you know. There are people with no degrees and liberal arts degrees who have become successful. You say that there is demand for security consulting. Where is it? Are these people starting their own companies or are they being employed by consulting firms?

I may not have been actively searching for security consulting jobs, but I look at every single job I can find requiring a CJ degree since I have taken several CJ courses. Even though I don't have a CJ degree, I have still gotten interviews for jobs requiring CJ degrees, although, there aren't many out there. I also look at every job I can find that requires security experience because that's what I have. If there were many security consulting openings, I would have come across them. I did a search today and only found one opening in my city that asks for sales experience or any degree, not security/LE/military experience and a CJ degree. I also looked at every San Antonio company licensed to provide security consulting services and only one is accepting resumes out of a city of 1.3 million people. That IS the real world. One person's experience is not representative of the rest of the world. You don't seem to grab that concept.

Edit: Sorry, make that three referrals. I just got an intel referral last week.
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Old 03-17-2012, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Security guard supervisor is that what you are/where? What a joke.
Sit in on any board meetings at MNC security firms? Know their background? You know nothing then.

You are just a loud talking child-man who thinks he knows it all.

Come back when you have made something of yourself in a field to comment about it.
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Old 03-17-2012, 10:14 AM
 
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What do you do to make you so knowledgeable about CJ? I see you're avoiding any requests for your background. I'm a woman by the way. I think you're the child since you like to call people names. You have no logical argument to give, so all you can do is insult. Please come back when you have something mature to say. Most security consulting jobs will require military, LE, or physical security experience. If you aren't going to go the military/LE route, then management in private security would be the last, best option. I worked my way up in a short period of time, which is pretty much what you advised earlier. You're just being hypocritical. Use all the deflecting and defense mechanisms you need in order to feel better about your lack of intelligence.

All I would need to do is take the security consultant exam in order to become a consultant with my company; but, like I said earlier, I have no interest because there is very little demand. By the way, you're still being condescending. Just some more of your hypocrisy.

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Old 03-17-2012, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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The type of employement the OP was asking about is above your paygrade. He asked about private professional corporate security. The type of people who are Directors of Security or designees. I knew immediately what he meant and it was not Paul Blart: Mall Cop (2009) - IMDb
You started the tangent with government service.
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Old 03-17-2012, 07:09 PM
 
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The type of employement the OP was asking about is above your paygrade. He asked about private professional corporate security. The type of people who are Directors of Security or designees. I knew immediately what he meant and it was not Paul Blart: Mall Cop (2009) - IMDb
You started the tangent with government service.
My state requires licensing in order to work as a security consultant. In order to sit for the licensing exam, you need security experience. A CJ degree is not accepted in lieu of experience. Because of my experience, I already qualify to sit for the licensing exam. In some states, you can't just walk out of college expecting to become a security consultant. You have to put in time doing IT security, military, law enforcement, or physical security (security guard work). If you knew what you were talking about, you would know that. The more and more you post, the more you prove you have no clue. That's probably why you keep avoiding questions about your experience and education. All of my posts have been in response to something you've said. You alluded to my past posts on the subject and I posted data that showed I'm not just making blanket statements based on biased opinions. I don't know how much more I can simplify it for you. If you graduated from college, the school should lose its accreditation.

I work in a corporate security setting. The client I work for requires physical security experience in order to work as a security specialist. They even had a job ad asking for people with physical security experience. Security guard work is physical security. Even the director of security used to do security guard work. You really don't know what it takes to work your way. I never gave any indication that the OP was talking about security guard work, but that is a place to start if you don't want to join the military or become a cop. Since you seem to not have any or much experience with security, I will tell you that not all security officers (that is the official Texas term) do not do Paul Blart work, which is a caricature.

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Old 03-17-2012, 07:11 PM
 
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Btoh of these depends on what you plan to do with them. Often a CJ major(four eyars) will go to police work. Often that gives an advantage of becoming a lawyer by its advanatages in getting into a law school.Often buisness management wil go on to careers in government management such as city managers. Its just too different like any other in what the individual achieves often.I know lawyers that actauly never got beyond becomig a assistant city attorney ;the mileage varies with the individual.
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Old 03-17-2012, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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My state requires licensing in order to work as a security consultant. In order to sit for the licensing exam, you need security experience. A CJ degree is not accepted in lieu of experience. Because of my experience, I already qualify to sit for the licensing exam. In some states, you can't just walk out of college expecting to become a security consultant. You have to put in time doing IT security, military, law enforcement, or physical security (security guard work). If you knew what you were talking about, you would know that. The more and more you post, the more you prove you have no clue. That's probably why you keep avoiding questions about your experience and education. All of my posts have been in response to something you've said. You alluded to my past posts on the subject and I posted data that showed I'm not just making blanket statements based on biased opinions. I don't know how much more I can simplify it for you. If you graduated from college, the school should lose its accreditation.

I work in a corporate security setting. The client I work for requires physical security experience in order to work as a security specialist. They even had a job ad asking for people with physical security experience. Security guard work is physical security.
Well thanks for more of your bio which you have admitted you have no interest in and have essentially failed so you selected another field. Wonderful you are so knowledgeable when you have accomplished so little. By your own admission you are a bottom tier worker but make pronouncements as if you were a specialist corporate recruiter in the field.

As I wrote above, pity your co-workers if you secure that great job post-graduate school. Which I doubt you will secure based on your attitude. Which is a shining example why there exists barriers between senior management and hourly staff.

Nevermind. Pointless to continue with you.

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Old 03-17-2012, 07:45 PM
 
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Well thanks for more of your bio which you have admitted you have no interest in and have essentially failed so you selected another field. Wonderful you are so knowledgeable when you have accomplished so little.

As I wrote above, pity your co-workers if you secure that great job post-graduate school. Which I doubt you will secure based on your attitude. Which is a shining example why there exists barriers between senior management and hourly staff.

Nevermind. Pointless to continue with you.
You keep on going around in circles saying the same thing. You still can't explain how I've "failed." You don't become a security manager, security consultant, or security director with no or very little experience. How many people in their twenties do you know who are directors of security? It takes years to get to that level. You're pretty much just making up stuff. You can't even post your accomplishments if you even have any. As I have said before, I did not select security as a career. It was a college job. Do you understand what type of jobs college students do? Some work as waiters, some work at restaurants, and I worked as a security supervisor. You move into your field of choice after graduating. Do you tell other college graduates they have failed because they're looking to get out of their job at Starbucks? The job I am trying to pursue is in the same general field; it's national security. Currently, my officers carry guns, batons, and handcuffs. They are trained in emergency response and terrorism awareness because they work in a corporate and industrial setting. They may not be too bright, but they aren't Paul Blart.
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Old 03-17-2012, 09:32 PM
 
Location: NC
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Btoh of these depends on what you plan to do with them. Often a CJ major(four eyars) will go to police work. Often that gives an advantage of becoming a lawyer by its advanatages in getting into a law school.Often buisness management wil go on to careers in government management such as city managers. Its just too different like any other in what the individual achieves often.I know lawyers that actauly never got beyond becomig a assistant city attorney ;the mileage varies with the individual.
Not particularly. Your major is pretty much irrelevant in terms of getting into law school, it was in something that is really a joke, or you want to go into patent law and the LSAT really has nothing to do with your knowledge of the law or criminal justice. If anything law schools tend to like people who majored in stuff other then criminal justice, (e.g. English, History, Political science, Economics, Philosophy, Psychology etc.) because it makes for a student body that is academically diverse and has multiple perspectives on issues since they come from different disciplines.

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Old 03-24-2012, 04:33 PM
 
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I am currently studying CJ and have a bachelors and JD in law, and have taken several management/business courses so I hope to give some perspective to the OP on this. The study of business and CJ are two diverse disciplines. You have to determine what you are interested in otherwise you'll not be successful in your studies or in your career. Who cares what LE enforcement people tell you anyway? Most do not have a degree and/or have the 60 credit hrs. that qualifies them to get into the academy. If you want to get into the FBI, research what they're looking for and study in that discipline. Otherwise, if you want to get into general law enforcement, security, paralegal, private investigation, etc. a good general degree is CJ. Same as if you want to get into general or middle management a degree in business is a good choice. Best of luck.
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