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Old 03-15-2012, 07:37 AM
 
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Default Business management vs Criminal justice?

It's said to study what you love, but I like both to travel and private security..
Everything aside, who makes the most money, a management consultant or a security consultant?
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Old 03-15-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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A CJ degree will not prepare you in the least to be a security consultant (and there are plenty of security consultants out there).
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Old 03-15-2012, 12:47 PM
 
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From what I gather, a security consultant is normally valued for their experience, not their degree.
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Old 03-15-2012, 05:24 PM
 
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Neither. A management consultant is so generic, and the work could potentially be so boring. How does one prepare to be a security consultant (sounds like more of an IT background than CJ)?
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Old 03-15-2012, 05:39 PM
 
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I believe he means the security of people, places and things. It's a tough gig to get. A lot of ex federal agents in the field because they have world class training and experience. There are certain certifications available that are much more important than what degree you have. No one starts out as security consultant. No one who expects to eat, anyway.
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Old 03-15-2012, 06:19 PM
 
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It's said to study what you love, but I like both to travel and private security..
Everything aside, who makes the most money, a management consultant or a security consultant?
A security consultant is likely former career military or police - a degree alone won't get you the gig.

Ask any cop, and they'll tell you that many business degrees are more useful than a C.J degree in law enforcement.

Finally, a C.J degree is about the criminal justice system, not about, say, security.
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Old 03-15-2012, 06:20 PM
 
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It's said to study what you love, but I like both to travel and private security..
Everything aside, who makes the most money, a management consultant or a security consultant?
You won't land a job easily with just a bachelor degree in either one of them. You better plan to have a high GPA and to attend graduate school.

If you don't want to go to graduate school, get an accounting degree.
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Old 03-15-2012, 11:22 PM
 
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Yes, there are security consultants who consult on things like industrial, physical, and corporate security; but there isn't a lot of demand. Like others have said, experience is most important. There are very few police departments in all levels of government that require or have a strong preference for criminal justice degrees. For jobs like parole and probation that do require a degree in criminal justice, they also accept other degrees in the behavioral sciences. Get the business management degree; it'll have more utility and flexibility, but you can't jump right into management consulting.

Criminal justice has to be one of the most useless majors out there. Even insurance fraud jobs that look for criminal justice majors also look for business, finance, and accounting majors. I have only come across a few jobs that absolutely require only a criminal justice degree and most of them are in corrections. From personal experience, it is very hard to move up in the private security industry. There is a lot of politics, nepotism, fraternizing, and favoritism. People, normally, do not move up based on merit and seniority. In my opinion, the whole private security industry is inept because it's filled with stupid people who are incapable of doing anything else and will die making $12 an hour. It's a nice job to have while going to college though.

There are degrees in security management and homeland security/emergency management, but these are relatively new and it is yet to be seen how useful they are in gaining employment. Contrary to popular belief, the FBI and CIA do not want CJ majors for most gigs. There are only two positions I've seen in the CIA that listed CJ as a desirable degree along with psychology, sociology, and even English and those openings are no longer up. Off the top of my head, the U.S. Marshals and ICE have a preference for CJ, law, etc. If you want to go into intelligence, get a STEM, business/economics/finance/accounting, political science, international relations, regional/foreign area studies, or national security/security studies degree and learn a critical needs language.

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Old 03-16-2012, 12:30 AM
 
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Yes, there are security consultants who consult on things like industrial, physical, and corporate security; but there isn't a lot of demand. Like others have said, experience is most important. There are very few police departments in all levels of government that require or have a strong preference for criminal justice degrees. For jobs like parole and probation that do require a degree in criminal justice, they also accept other degrees in the behavioral sciences. Get the business management degree; it'll have more utility and flexibility, but you can't jump right into management consulting.

Criminal justice has to be one of the most useless majors out there. Even insurance fraud jobs that look for criminal justice majors also look for business, finance, and accounting majors. I have only come across a few jobs that absolutely require only a criminal justice degree and most of them are in corrections. From personal experience, it is very hard to move up in the private security industry. There is a lot of politics, nepotism, fraternizing, and favoritism. People, normally, do not move up based on merit and seniority. In my opinion, the whole private security industry is inept because it's filled with stupid people who are incapable of doing anything else and will die making $12 an hour. It's a nice job to have while going to college though.

There are degrees in security management and homeland security/emergency management, but these are relatively new and it is yet to be seen how useful they are in gaining employment. Contrary to popular belief, the FBI and CIA do not want CJ majors for most gigs. There are only two positions I've seen in the CIA that listed CJ as a desirable degree along with psychology, sociology, and even English and those openings are no longer up. Off the top of my head, the U.S. Marshals and ICE have a preference for CJ, law, etc. If you want to go into intelligence, get a STEM, business/economics/finance/accounting, political science, international relations, regional/foreign area studies, or national security/security studies degree and learn a critical needs language.
Case in point, my wife with a B.S in Accounting got a call from an FBI recruiter... I get the feeling that doesn't happen for C.J justices...
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:32 AM
 
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Case in point, my wife with a B.S in Accounting got a call from an FBI recruiter... I get the feeling that doesn't happen for C.J justices...
Nope. The FBI is looking for lawyers, accountants, and IT professionals. If you don't have one of those degrees or a special skill set such as foreign language fluency, you get dumped into the "diversified" pool. I've heard that the overwhelming majority of FBI applicants are CJ majors. So not only are you dumped into the diversified pool competing with a bunch of liberal arts majors, but you also have to compete with thousands of other CJ majors when the rare chance comes along that the FBI is looking to diversify with yet another CJ hire. Unless you have law enforcement experience to go with the CJ degree, your chances of getting in are very slim.
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