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Old 06-11-2012, 06:06 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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None whatsoever.

If anything, giving the skyrocketing national debt, people are less in the mood to give away freebies than they were ten years ago. What's more, with a huge network of grants, scholarships, and student loans, just about any student with a decent GPA and standardized test scores can get an entirely affordable post-secondary education at a public university or junior college.

Free post-secondary is just rife with unintended consequences. Suddenly, you have 28- and 30-year olds simply staying on the college treadmill forever. There's really no incentive for students to push themselves out into the workforce, and there's really no incentive for parents to keep their kids on the straight and narrow.

Except to corporations? Identification with the oppressor...
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:13 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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As you have posted this same thread in two different forums, I will give the same response in both of them:

The California state university system was free until the Reagan governorship. One of the top lines in Reagan's personal agenda was to abolish free higher education in California, and a $600 fee was imposed starting in 1971.

In Louisiana, as part of Huey Long's promise, university students in the 1950s paid only a $35 per semester fee to enroll at state colleges and universities.
What Reagan did as opposed to what Long did.

Reagan's kids BTW went to college and majored in whatever they wanted. He paid. He could.

Same with HW Bush - he pushed W throgh college using family connections and the legacy card all the while telling YOU that YOUR B STUDENT should go to the local CC!

But NO COLLEGE was good enough for "Gee Dubya". Other than Yale. Strange for a C- to D student.
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:15 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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All campuses of the City University of New York were free to students with a B average until the 1970s, I think. It could have been earlier.
That's about right.
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:16 PM
 
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What Reagan did as opposed to what Long did.

Reagan's kids BTW went to college and majored in whatever they wanted. He paid. He could.

Same with HW Bush - he pushed W throgh college using family connections and the legacy card all the while telling YOU that YOUR B STUDENT should go to the local CC!

But NO COLLEGE was good enough for "Gee Dubya". Other than Yale. Strange for a C- to D student.

Obama was not an A student. How did he get to go where he did?
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:21 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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He wasn't a "D" student.

He was a transfer student. It's easier.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Atlanta & NYC
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College should not be free but it should not be nearly as high as what it is today.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:24 PM
 
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College costs have skyrocketed in the past ten or fifteen years in the United States. I think most people would agree that they should be lower, but how low and how they should be lowered would be pretty contentious issues.
This^^^ A lot of Americans think the costs should be kept low with taxpayer money. That isn't low cost at all. It just hides the true cost. I think higher education needs to be totally revamped. The way it is currently done is simply not cost effective. But the tenured professors will fight reform tooth and nail.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:24 PM
 
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He wasn't a "D" student.

He was a transfer student. It's easier.
How is being a transfer student easier? Transfer admissions are limited.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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You don't have to be a minority or poor to get a free ride. Just being a good student, scoring high, and participating in ECs. It's not rocket science.

Has college expenses risen? Yes. This is why it's even more important to be an excellent student.
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Either way, a full ride to school is very attainable for anyone who meets the requirements.
Sorry, this is just not true. I've put two kids through college; I know a few things about financial aid. My kids did all of the above and did not get a "free ride". In fact, most of the kids at the older one's college did all of the above. The younger one went to a large state u with the highest admissions requirements of any public u in the state.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:38 PM
 
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Sorry, this is just not true. I've put two kids through college; I know a few things about financial aid. My kids did all of the above and did not get a "free ride". In fact, most of the kids at the older one's college did all of the above. The younger one went to a large state u with the highest admissions requirements of any public u in the state.
So why didn't they get a full ride?
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