Do You Ever Wonder "WHAT are These People Doing in College?" (skill, degrees)
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11-17-2012, 01:15 PM
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I have seen this type of behavior before. I do NOT believe that all students should go to college because there will always be a few that will just not make it no matter what. Don't worry OP, they won't be there for long.
This isn't as true as it should be. People can spend the better part of a decade working on a bachelor's degree that they have no hope of ever completing.
These people should be weeded out in 100-level courses, but grades have been inflated (and expectations lowered) to the point that I still see them in 300-level classes. They can't do basic algebra and hand in reports that look like they were written by someone who just downed an entire bottle of vodka, but they've managed to make it into junior-level college courses.
This isn't as true as it should be. People can spend the better part of a decade working on a bachelor's degree that they have no hope of ever completing.
These people should be weeded out in 100-level courses, but grades have been inflated (and expectations lowered) to the point that I still see them in 300-level classes. They can't do basic algebra and hand in reports that look like they were written by someone who just downed an entire bottle of vodka, but they've managed to make it into junior-level college courses.
While I don't like the comparisons between the US and other countries, this is a situation where it is justified. How can we compete in a global market if we have students who are like this in college? How do we expect them to hold down a job of any kind?
I posted earlier in the thread, and I'm still disgusted about this.
I asked the professor when the grades for the first paper submitted would be posted (this paper was turned in 1 month ago.) He responded "soon, still grading some late comers." The late comers who posted all over the 'Ask the professor' section for SPOONFEEDING because they couldn't READ THE CLEARLY EXPRESSED DIRECTIONS. AHHHHHHHH
a book titled "Abstract Art: The Psychology of Lines" - would I look for that in the Art shelves, or the Psych shelves? If I'm taking a psych course, I would automatically look for it in the psych section. If I'm an Arts major, my first intuition would be to check the Arts.
Some bookstores don't have things ordered alphabetically. The bookstore near my house definitely doesn't. I'm so used to -that- bookstore, that checking alphabetically isn't intuitive to me at all. Of course, eventually I'm sure I'd catch on but it wouldn't be the first thing that popped into my head.
Next: I wrote better than the average 6th grader, back in 6th grade. Doctors, on the other hand, are trained in their third year of med school to write in chicken-scratch. It's actually on the final exam. This is why I'm not a doctor. I'm not capable of bad handwriting. It's a disability. I collect SSI checks monthly for it. My doctor sent a note to the Social Security office to verify for me. SSI couldn't read the note and just assumed it must be true, and the next month I got my first check
yes lots of dummies.
universities are fake white collar trade schools. very expensive with no hope of job placement.
most dont need a college education, they need a trade.
if they went to a trade school they would kick them out the 1st week.
american university is a red carpet (going nowhere)
the admission ticket to college joy ride, a line of credit.
When job availability is low societies frequently up the requirements for those jobs. They also encourage college education, often lowering the standards in colleges. The idea is to keep people occupied, doing something with their lives, in the hopes that the job situation would change. In India a ticket taker in the railroad needs a degree. People bribe people to get job interviews.
I will bet, perhaps when labor unions fold, there will be college requirements for jobs that are considered blue collar presently.
The only reason some people go to school is because they keep getting gov't money. They will never graduate and they will never repay a dime.
I once heard a student complaining to a professor that he(the prof) should pass him(the student) because he(the student)is paying for the class himself.
Somehow he got the impression that the school was flunking out dummies who were there on government money merely because they were on public assistance and not because they were stupid.
As you yourself managed to point out ... they're kids.
Lighten up man. Some kids at 18-22 are really immature. They will gain wisdom and maturity as they move forward. You're lucky if you're one of the mature ones at that age.
I believe the problem is that these kids are going to compete for jobs with an international work force. Kids who know what poverty is like and are deadly serious and facing stiff competition are vying for positions. We all must have heard that some Japanese young people actually commit suicide if they do not get into the right schools.
We, in the West, tolerate sloppy standards in our young. I don't think we will have the luxury of doing so for much longer.
This is somewhat related. Oprah started her school in Africa and not the US because those poor kids are desperate for an education and really appreciate it, whereas when Oprah asked American kids what their biggest desire was, it was for a pair of Nikes.
Reality can teach some very harsh lessons and that empty desire for Nikes is indicative of what may very well bring this nation down.
I agree with President Obama. Everyone should attend college. Not everyone can major in a non technical subject, such as English Literature, Philosophy, or other reading and writing intensive subjects.
For some, business, human resource management, laboratory technology or accounting might be enough to earn them a living wage. For others, an associate degree could be enough. However, a High School diploma will not cut it.
Remember these are eighteen year olds. They are kids. They may be naive, but I give them an "A" for at least trying to better themselves.
I tend to agree with you. THere was a time in which not everyone, especially in farming communities, finished grammar school. THen, as time progressed, people needed a high school diploma. Now, for entry into most fields you require a four year diploma from college.
On the other hand, I don't think that they should be lowering standards in college. People who demonstrate a lack of the fundamentals that they should have learned in high school should be sent to remedial schools of some sort.
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