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Yeah, right. It also helps them maintain a 4.0 GPA/honors level and enter college at higher levels of aptitude in math and sciences than the American kids.
That has not been my experience with foreign students both at the high school and college level...
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BS I go to one of the aforementioned. Look at the list of 2012 Rhodes Scholars. There are 1000s of Universities in America. Only 4 schools are represented on this list.
If you want an elite job in banking, consulting, law you must attend an elite school...no discussion. fullstop...unless your dad is a c-level officer in the firm in question.
However, there are Yale grads that don't appear to have their stuff together but it's lower percentage than people who went to Kent state.
What gets me, as I apply for internships this summer, is that some companies are only considering the top 50 and even 25% of the class...I headr before the recession these hurdles did not exist.
So, for the .00001% of all students that want to work at an elite banking firm on Wall Street, yes, going to Harvard or Yale will give you a leg up. For the rest of the world, it just does not matter where you go to school, but what you do IN school. Internships have always been highly competitive and even before the recession if you were a slug in college you were not getting an internship.
As for the Rhode's Scholarships, who cares. It's a scholarship to study at Oxford and quite frankly, not many people really want to do that across the country. Now, I didn't go to an Ivy but I count 17 different colleges on the 2013 Rhodes list.
I support foreign students in colleges but not at over 50% of the student body when Americans are turned down and not able to go to college.
But you are missing the point - they are not pushing the Americans out. The college cannot afford to take people who can't pay. It's get paying students or go out of business (or start making major cuts to jobs, facilities, services, etc.). If paying students are not getting in, then that's because they just aren't good enough students.
Diversity is a good thing....don't forget that this is the U.S.A.....The world's melting pot. 120 years ago, a person of Western/Southern European descent had a hard time getting a fair shake. As late as the 1960's African Americans were denied higher education opportunities because of their race. The parents are paying so why not let the kids go there if they're qualified. Anyone who can afford a higher education should have every opportunity available afforded to them regardless of what country them or their parents were born. God Bless the U.S.A. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
You are very naive my friend. China is a country of 1.4 billion people. Of those I assume that there are millions of students each year that could major in math at Caltech with a A- GPA. Asians value education much more so than we do.
That was my point...they don't need to cheat to get into an American college as much as you insinuate, despite your isolated anecdotal evidence.
My son returned to his small liberal arts college this fall and was shocked when he looked around campus. It seemed like over half of the Freshman class was now international students. The leaders of the college are quite proud of this and say they are going to promote the college to international students and increase the diversity of the student body.
My son says while it can be interesting to have SOME students from overseas he wonders where to draw the line. What is a logical percentage of students to have from overseas? 40%, 50%, 70%?
The problem with the foreign students is they have balkanized the student body. Most of the international students are from either Korea, India or China and each group of these students just divide up into their own groups and have nothing to do with people from the other countries. He reports that the American students try hard to be inclusive and welcome and befriend the foreign students but rarely do they react in kind. And the Korean, Chinese or Indian students are openly hostile to each other and only socialize with students from their own country.
The second problem with all the foreign students is that with each person the college lets in from lets say China, an American born student who works hard, gets a great ACT/SAT score and dreams about going to that college all his life is shut out.
I agree, American colleges should let in foreign students for a variety of reasons but how much is to much? Lets debate!
That was my point...they don't need to cheat to get into an American college as much as you insinuate, despite your isolated anecdotal evidence.
Huh? There is a booming business in China with Ivy League application assistance. It costs about 50k a pop. The Chinese kid in my comp sci used one.
Did you see my link about the Chinese kid's parents who got swindled out of 2.1 million for a place at a top school?
Do all Chinese students cheat? No, but they will if they have to. If they had a shot at going to an elite school they would kill for it. They don't value honesty in their country they was the West does. You must lie and cheat to get ahead.
Sorry that this offends your since of propriety.
Chinese care more about the prestige of the University than Americans do...it's a gucci materialistic godless place.
No, to go to Marquette or whatever they don't have to cheat to get in...just pay $$$$$$
Diversity is a good thing....don't forget that this is the U.S.A.....The world's melting pot. 120 years ago, a person of Western/Southern European descent had a hard time getting a fair shake. As late as the 1960's African Americans were denied higher education opportunities because of their race. The parents are paying so why not let the kids go there if they're qualified. Anyone who can afford a higher education should have every opportunity available afforded to them regardless of what country them or their parents were born. God Bless the U.S.A. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
the question is if american students are being denied matriculation on accord of foreign students. we built it and should be able to enjoy it.
that being said, the argument is a false choice. it's not a zero sum game. Likely every foreign student enables 2 or 3 american students to attend by subsidizing their education.
so foreign students should be allowed to continue as along as they pay...maybe we will learn something from them
Huh? There is a booming business in China with Ivy League application assistance. It costs about 50k a pop. The Chinese kid in my comp sci used one.
Did you see my link about the Chinese kid's parents who got swindled out of 2.1 million for a place at a top school?
Do all Chinese students cheat? No, but they will if they have to. If they had a shot at going to an elite school they would kill for it. They don't value honesty in their country they was the West does. You must lie and cheat to get ahead.
Sorry that this offends your since of propriety.
Chinese care more about the prestige of the University than Americans do...it's a gucci materialistic godless place.
No, to go to Marquette or whatever they don't have to cheat to get in...just pay $$$$$$
It doesn't offend my sense of propriety, just your sweeping generalizations and apparent envy with the Chinese population in general. It's probably best to get over it and move on.
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